[Advaita-l] Apaurusheyatva of Vedas.

[Ramakrishna Upadrasta]

praNAms Shri Sadananda-ji,

What I think Shri LalitalalitaH is saying is that the use of word
shraddha for verbal testimony is either redundant (because such a
presence of shraddha is needed for all pramaaNA) or leads to regress.

Swami Satprakashananda-ji's book also seems to be saying exactly what
Shri LalitalalitaH is saying. For accepting a verbal testimony, the
additional clause of shraddha is not necessary, unless it is needed
for all means of knowledge. This is because "validity of knowledge is
intrinsic", while its invalidity is extrinsic [1].


Perhaps there are a couple of shraddha-s which you are talking about:

1. shraddha to accept any verbal testimony
2. shraddha to accept a verbal testimony from vedas.
3.  shraddha to accept the verbal testimony from vedas impliying the
jIva-bhahma-aikyaM.

For 1, the qualifier is not needed. Shri LalitalaalitaH is saying this.
For 2 is it needed for any mumuxus that accept pUrva-mImAMsa's
epistemology (all of us vedantins). One of the mails of Shri Omkar,
when he is asking about svataH pramaaNa is questioning this.
For 3, it is of course needed for advaitins from the famous
viveka-chUDAmaNi verse (all the advaita vedantins among us).

namaste
Ramakrishna

[1] Maybe the qualifier that is needed here that accepting truth
propositions for all pramA is inherent to human beings (and perhaps
even to the machine models we build).



2011/9/12 kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>:
> Shreeman - PraNAms
>
> In a way yes. Shraddhaa gets ingrained since baby as she grows and develops faith in the words of the first teacher - the mother. That I cannot see, nor prove by the logic that I know, I tend to accept based on the trustworthyness of the teacher that is teaching me - is this not true? The mental frame to accept is essential ingradient for shraddha and therefore much emphasis on the  four fold qualifications for brahma jignaasaa.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
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> --- On Mon, 9/12/11, श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <lalitaalaalitah at gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: श्रीमल्ललितालालितः <lalitaalaalitah at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Apaurusheyatva of Vedas.
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Monday, September 12, 2011, 7:18 AM
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> On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 16:38, kuntimaddi sadananda <
> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
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>>
>> Shraddha is defined as - shaastraya guruvaakyasya satyabudhyavadhaaraNaa
>> saa shraddhaa - says Sankara in VevekachuDAmaNi. - that what shastras say
>> and the interpretation of them by the teacher are indeed true - without that
>> faith - no knowledge will takes place - shraddhaavan labhate jnaanam. This
>> is intrinsic nature of Shabda pramANa whether we agree or not.
>>
>
> 'words of shAstra nad gutu are true'  - this determination is shraddhA.
> But, tell me it's origin.
> Again shraddhA is cause of such shraddhA ??
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