[Advaita-l] Prapatti

[sriram]

Dears
I think it is wrong to brush aside the descriptions of 
Vaikuntha,Nithyasuries,Viraja Nadhi-not Sarayu-that are found in our Divya 
Prabandha`s as some imaginary work of our realised souls.According to me 
these should be real but not in the sense we judge what is real in this 
world.If bhakthi is there faith will result and faith will lead to realise 
these domains.In all scriptures Heaven,Hell are all fully described and as a 
jiva we cannot imagine what they are except through the eyes of the realised 
souls.So I feel it is not correct to discount these descriptions and descend 
to the level of atheists whose first reaction is to ridicule these 
doctrines.R.Krishnamoorthy.
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From: "Muralidhar" <muralidhar.maddala at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti


> Thanks for posting this question Vishy ji, You are not lone!
>
> While a lot of these "stories" provide a sense of guidance on personal or 
> social conduct. There equally lot of these not visible in the right light, 
> hence only endup in amusement (to me atleast) .
>
> What exact weightage our tradition attributes to these and how much of 
> these can be discounted as a spiritual seeker?
>
> Are there any more profound and finer reflections available on these 
> topics for general reading?
>
> Best Regards
>
>
> Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Poojya Sadanandaji,
>>
>>Pranams..
>>
>>these concepts like vaikunata, lord in physical form, Sridevi, garuda, 
>>adishesha and hierarchy of jiivas there..... Dont they look very imaginary 
>>and presumptive??
>>
>>I even feel all the forms of Gods form puranas are also came in to 
>>existence just as parables to convey for some deeper inner meaning. Don't 
>>they all appear as creations of human mind???
>>
>>
>>
>>should we not aim to realize mahavakyas (Tat tvam asi, Pragnanam bhrama, 
>>AhamBhramasmi... )
>>
>>Pardon me.... this is not to hurt others for my own clarity I am asking
>>
>>
>>Pranams again
>>Viswanath
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
>>To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta 
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>>Sent: Sunday, 19 February 2012 4:05 PM
>>Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti
>>
>>
>>--- On Sun, 2/19/12, Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let vishishtadvaitam be philosophically inaccurate but if
>>> prappatti is a
>>> valid vedic karma that can grant vaikuntha at the end of
>>> this life itself,
>>> why not? It seems logical to first go to Vishnu and then
>>> realise His
>>> nirguna svabhava if He insists. Apart from simplicity, this
>>> approach also
>>> satisfies one's curiosity to know His infinite attributes in
>>> a state of
>>> bliss.
>>
>>Shree Rajaram - PraNAms
>>
>>you seems to be jumping from one doctrine to the other. In 
>>VA(vishiShTaadvaita) there is no further going beyond the VaikunTa. The 
>>tiny jiivas take saatvik bodies after being blessed by Sridevi and serve 
>>the Lord in VaikunTa - respecting a hierarchy of jiivas there. Some of 
>>them are nitya mukta jiivas like mahalakshmi, garuda, vishvaksena, 
>>aadhisesha, etc and your have to take your rightful place in the 
>>hierarchical structure, but you enjoy there infinite happiness, even 
>>though you are tiny as well as all other enjoyments with the Lord, except 
>>you do not have the power to create. That is the end of moksha 
>>pursuit.yadgatvana nivartante taddhaama pramam mama - so no return back or 
>>going up either since it is param dhaama.
>>
>>Krama mukti is different - it is not vaikunta but satya loka where 
>>Brahmaji is in charge and there for moksha one has to gain the knowledge 
>>of aham brahmaasmi - via shravana, manana and nidhidhyaasana.
>>
>>You cannot mix these two, even if your like.
>>
>>By mixing these different doctrines your are coming up with a new one - no 
>>problem in that if you develop your own doctrine but that is not VA is.
>>
>>Prapaatii involves even in VA a clear understanding of shesha-seshii 
>>bhaava - inability to help myself and surrendering at his feet is only 
>>resort with clear understanding that he is the controller and executor and 
>>also sanctifyer from all my sins - maam evaye prapadyante maayam etam 
>>tarantite| is the promise to be relied on with full faith.
>>
>>Hari Om!
>>Sadananda
>>
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