[Advaita-l] Prapatti

[Sunil Bhattacharjya]

Sadaji would reply. However if I may add (somewhat in an unconventional way) Bhakti (in the generally accepted sense) makes some Aham-bhava (ego) remain in the Bhaktas as they do not want to lose their own existence or selves (ie. their  own identities). It requires extreme Bhakti to remove that selfishness or even forgo the own separate existence (or cal it offer the Bhakta's own self) to the Lord and that is possible with the dawning of the Jnana.The Ds and the VAs are not ready to make this final sacrifice.

Sunil KB



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 From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti
 
Poojya Sadaji,

Thanks for immediate response, but however I feel you didn't answer my question...

Whatever be the path (A, VA, D, or even C or M) the truth should be one, Isn't it?
When you surrender (via bhakthi marga) / drop (thru Jnana)  your ego completely
what else??  Mukti is right Now and Here, right?

than , can I say, rest are all stories made up by mind  as ego is also a mind stuff!!!


pranams
viswanath

  



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From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> 
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2012 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti

Viswanathji - PraNAms

I was only giving the VishiShTaadvaita position. If you are a VishiShTaadvaitin, you would not have the questions you posed. In the purushashuuktam purusha is identified as the husband of Lakshmi and she stays close to him all the time - day and night. The followers are also called srivaishnavates - sri comes first - When you go to vaikunta you are first taken by the mother who ready to embrace you however dirty you look because it is mother's love. She will wash you up and make you presentable to greet the father- Lord Narayana. Hence it is easier to approach the father via the mother who ignores all the defects out of her love and washes them out to make you perfect. 

Vishvaksena is the army officer or the security head and makes sure you are OK to enter the abode of the Lord - By the by  vaishavates pray Vishvaksena not Ganesha before any religions function when they do aavaahana of the Lord. As per VA the size of jiiva is anupramaana - and the jiivas and the jagat form His virat swaruupa - as shown in the 11th ch. of Gita. 

From the advaita point any hierarchy is at the metal purification level of the jiivas and all in vyvahaara. The absolute truth is only one - sat chit ananda swaruupa.

Hari Om!
Sadananda  



--- On Wed, 2/22/12, Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Vishy <vishy1962 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 12:56 AM
> Poojya Sadanandaji,
> 
> Pranams..
> 
> these concepts  like vaikunata, lord in physical form,
> Sridevi, garuda, adishesha and hierarchy of jiivas
> there.....    Dont they look very imaginary and 
> presumptive??
> 
> I even feel all the forms of Gods form puranas are also came
> in to existence just as parables to convey for some deeper
> inner meaning. Don't they all appear as creations of human
> mind??? 
> 
> 
> 
> should we not aim to realize  mahavakyas  (Tat tvam asi,
> Pragnanam bhrama, AhamBhramasmi... )
> 
> Pardon me....  this is not to hurt others   for my own
> clarity I am asking
> 
> 
> Pranams again
> Viswanath
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> 
> Sent: Sunday, 19 February 2012 4:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Prapatti
>  
> 
> --- On Sun, 2/19/12, Rajaram Venkataramani <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> > 
> > Let vishishtadvaitam be philosophically inaccurate but
> if
> > prappatti is a
> > valid vedic karma that can grant vaikuntha at the end
> of
> > this life itself,
> > why not? It seems logical to first go to Vishnu and
> then
> > realise His
> > nirguna svabhava if He insists. Apart from simplicity,
> this
> > approach also
> > satisfies one's curiosity to know His infinite
> attributes in
> > a state of
> > bliss.
> 
> Shree Rajaram - PraNAms
> 
> you seems to be jumping from one doctrine to the other. In
> VA(vishiShTaadvaita) there is no further going beyond the
> VaikunTa. The tiny jiivas take saatvik bodies after being
> blessed by Sridevi and serve the Lord in VaikunTa -
> respecting a hierarchy of jiivas there. Some of them are
> nitya mukta jiivas like mahalakshmi, garuda, vishvaksena,
> aadhisesha, etc and your have to take your rightful place in
> the hierarchical structure, but you enjoy there infinite
> happiness, even though you are tiny as well as all other
> enjoyments with the Lord, except you do not have the power
> to create. That is the end of moksha pursuit.yadgatvana
> nivartante taddhaama pramam mama - so no return back or
> going up either since it is param dhaama. 
> 
> Krama mukti is different - it is not vaikunta but satya loka
> where Brahmaji is in charge and there for moksha one has to
> gain the knowledge of aham brahmaasmi - via shravana, manana
> and nidhidhyaasana.
> 
> You cannot mix these two, even if your like. 
> 
> By mixing these different doctrines your are coming up with
> a new one - no problem in that if you develop your own
> doctrine but that is not VA is. 
> 
> Prapaatii involves even in VA a clear understanding of
> shesha-seshii bhaava - inability to help myself and
> surrendering at his feet is only resort with clear
> understanding that he is the controller and executor and
> also sanctifyer from all my sins - maam evaye prapadyante
> maayam etam tarantite| is the promise to be relied on with
> full faith. 
> 
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda 
> 
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