[Advaita-l] Holenarsipur Swamiji's remarks and why even Avidya is not necessary for Advaita

[Kalyan K]

Dear Sri Venkatesh,

You say that my knowledge is incomplete, but how is it incomplete? Isn't it
a matter of common perception that the world exists and the plurality is
seen everywhere? If the world is "as real as brahman", then doesn't it
contradict the saying of the Sruti that sarvam khalvidam brahma?

Isn't it a matter of everyday experience that people suffer from various
misfortunes? If their suffering is "as real as brahman" then how can you
say that everything is brahman?

You say that it is "reflections" that are suffering (whatever that may
mean). But if these "reflections" are "as real as brahman", then doesn't it
contradict the sruti statement that everything is brahman?

Even if I have an incomplete picture of things, how can you hold both
brahman and my own phenomenal existence to have the same level of reality
without violating sruti? Please throw some light.

Regards
Kalyan


On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste Sri Kalyan
>
> On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Kalyan K <kalyankc.81 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Venkateshji, suppose I am a dvaitin who is debating with you on vedanta.
> > You tell me your position that everything is brahman. I ask you the
> > following question - If everything is brahman, then why I am perceiving
> > multiplicity in the world? I will say that the advaita philosophy that
> you
> > propound directly contradicts my experience. I will also say that I
> cannot
> > be brahman because brahman is free from all blemishes and sufferings
> while
> > I regularly suffer from misfortunes.
> I am saying Maya and Avidya theory is not necessary. If you are seeing
> multiplicity of the world. You are not wrong. Your Jnana is
> incomplete. You don't have Ajnana called as Ignorance. You are not
> seeing the entire picture but a part of it. The entire picture is
> Brahman is the base and World is the reflection. But you are seeing
> the World reflection only. When you do Brahman Upasana you will see
> the entire picture. The Sruti is saying to you Tattvamasi You are
> That. You are Brahman but you are not realizing it. You are saying you
> are suffering from misfortunes. Here also you have incomplete picture.
> That is why you are suffering. You are Brahman. You cannot suffer. The
> suffering is happening to your reflection. You are standing in front
> of a mirror and someone scratches the mirror. You are thinking there
> is a scratch on the face. But the scratch is only for the reflection.
> The face is not scratched.
> >
> > Without resorting to the concepts of maya/mithya/avidya, how will you
> > answer me?
> >
> > Regards
> > Kalyan
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
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