[Advaita-l] : Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste Sri Sunil

You did not undertsand my words.

I never said vomitting is literally done. A knower of Veda when he is
practicing the mantras is Adhyayana. When he is teaching it is
Adhyapana. But Yajnavalkya was not doing Adhyayana when Vaishampayana
asked for it. He was not doing Adhyapana also because he cannot teach
Guru the same thing he learned from him. He was giving back the Veda.
They say he vomitted it. The parrot disciples collected it. The whole
Veda is all the mantras got mixed. In Krishna Yajur the mantras are
very mixed with other things like Brahmanas. Aruna Prashna mantras are
in Aranyaka. This mixture is like the Vomitting food. When you eat
Jilebi, Gulab Jamun, Idli, Masala Dosa and vomit it comes out like a
mixture. I hope you are now understanding my words. I am not saying
literally vomitting. It means it is a mixture of many things.


On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Sunil Bhattacharjya
<sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Namaste,
>
>
> Yajnavalkya's vomitting is not to be talken literally. In fact it was Vaishampaya's curse, which made Yajnavalkya forget what he learnt from Vaishampayana. Later on Lord Surya revealed the Shukla Yajurvaeda to Yajnavalkya. Further Lord Surya advised Yajnavalkya to pray to Mother Goddess Saraswati and that way Yajnavalkya could get  back the lost knowledge of Krishna Yajurveda. Later on Vaishampayana requested Yajnavalkya to teach the Shukla Yajurveda to his (Vaishampayana's) disciples.
>
> In case you think that you could have given a better reply to Shri Rajaram's question you are at liberty to enlighten us with that, rather than using your semantics  to divert the issue. It is clear that you did not understand what the phrase "vomitted out" was used for, in this particular context.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Sunil KB
>
>
>
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> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 7:41 PM
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>
> Namaste
>
> Yajnavalkya quarrelled with his Guru. Guru Vaishampayana asked him to
> give back the learned Yajur Veda. He vomitted Yajur Veda and other
> disciples became parrots and collected it. The vomitting story is
> correct. You can read it -
> http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=2049
>
> On Thu, Jul 5, 2012 at 1:43 AM,  <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sri Sunil, vomitted out? It is highly inappropriate usage. Anyway, the arguments in favour of entire Vedas bein available for humanity have been stated clearly. They are sabda and dharma are eternal.  The counters have been answered. They are rishis and places are only specific instances of what is already in shruti, apparent evolution of language and life ignore sabda pramana and are based on incorrect anumana at best. Each one of your post was responded to by those of
>  us who boldly stuck to what we believe is the vaidhika view. If you think your position was not understood, please re-state it and re-present your supporting arguments. I will definitely agree if your view is established but I expect the same openness from you.
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Sender: advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 12:11:22
>> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Reply-To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>,
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>> Subject: [Advaita-l] :  Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Shri Rajaram,
>>
>> Do you mean to say that you have raked your intellect and yet you got baffled by my statement? Secondly read the first five verses of the Purusha sukta and you may understand where Brahma stands and where the rishis like Yajnavalkya and others like you and me stand in the process of creation.
>  Thirdly have you also read my earlier
>> mail as to how the evolution plays a part in these revolutions and why
>> everything has not been vomitted out to humanity at one stroke?
>>
>> If you did and still you need any  explanation from me , then of course, I shall explain it to you. If you have not given thought to this I would request you to think about it and you may get the answer.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Sunil KB
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>  From: "rajaramvenk at gmail.com" <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
>> To: Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012
>  11:57 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?
>>
>>
>> Dear Sri Sunil, please explain why Lord Brahma would not know about Yajnavalkya - the power of Maya?
>>
>> Dear Sri Bhaskar, any word which is in the shruti it points to eternal sabda. If a word is modified in vyavahara, it is does not. Please note that for sabara sabda does not always mean word (rf. H & L in Sabara Bhashya).
>>
>> I understand you find it funny real yajnavalkya should know about shruti  yajnavalkya. But that is the inevitable implication of entire Vedas being revealed to Lord Brahma, setting up of pravrtti and nivrtti margas at creation, oral tradition etc. Rama is described in Rig Veda. It is but natural people in Ramayana time knew Rama including Rama from RV. But the power of Maya can make them act the script normally. The smrti texts come up to describe that.  Don't you find it funny that people do
>  sandhyavandanam but can't chant gayatri because it was not revealed? How will brahmanas have children
>>  if garba dhana samskaras were not revelaed? How will antima karma done? There is no room for revealing shruti over time.
>>
>> I live in the country where Darwin did and Richard Dawkins does. They are truthful and brilliant but their view is not vaidhika view which uses sabda pramana.
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>>
>> From:  Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT)
>> To: rajaramvenk at gmail.com<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> ReplyTo:  Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?
>>
>> Quote
>> If Brahma was revealed entire Vedas, won't he know about Yajnavalkya?
>>
>> Unquote
>>
>> Not necessarily.
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>  From: "rajaramvenk at gmail.com" <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
>> To: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 4, 2012 1:52 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?
>>
>> What is the confusion? If it sounds funny, please have a laugh. We allow hasya. If you want some thing funny, here is a story one famous sastrigal told me.
>>
>> Sita asks Rama in one of the ramayanas, "You are asking about staying back in Ayodhya. Have you ever heard of Rama leaving Sita behind in any Ramayana? What you say is sruti smrti virodha Rama"
>>
>> If Brahma was revealed entire Vedas, won't he know about Yajnavalkya?
>> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
>> Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2012 14:10:23
>> To: <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Apoureshyatva - Faith or Logic?
>>
>> Even before Yajnavalkya lived, vaidhikas knew about him completely from
>> the shruti.
>>
>> praNAms
>> Hare Krishna
>>
>> confusion!!  do you mean to say, yAjnAvalkya, maitreyi, gArgi, janaka etc.
>> (characters in br.up.)   knew the bruhadAraNyaka upanishad & its story
>> (janaka's  challenge, yAgnAvalkya saMvAda, his retirement to saNyAsa etc.)
>> and
>  simply acted exactly according to the script of that shruti??  And the
>> vaidika-s who knew the shruti bruhadAraNyaka anticipated the future real
>> life incidence of yAgnAvalkya ??  Something funny it sounds :-))
>>
>> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
>> bhaskar
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