[Advaita-l] mleccha-s not eligible to take Hinduism??

[Sriram Krishnamurthy]

Namaste,
>>  I'd like to see this in a different way, here guru who knows the
>>'extra' skill, shraddha, bhakti in his 10th std. pupil would not hesitate
>>to give him the XII std. paper.

Even in this case he would fail in his exams :-)

>the exceptions in mahAbhArata itself!! for
>example, vidhura, a dAsi pUtra
This is Samanya Dharma. We are  talking about Shastra Vihita Dharma.

> but instead to asking Mr. Paul Brunton to go back to his country and
>follow his 'svadharma', H.H. asked him to meet ramaNa maharshi why??

It was not Sringeri Jagadguru but HH CS the Kanchi Paramacharya

>>  while on the subject, I would like to say, our list member Sri
>>Shivashankara prabhuji (erstwhile Mr. Stig Lundgren) can be considered as
>>an exceptional case considering his shraddha, bhakti in hindu culture &
>>rituals.

When the Sringeri Jagadguru himself says he is not eligible to write a
new Dharma Shastras where are we, small beings to validate exceptions.
>>Sri vaishNava saMpradAya
Yes conversion is allowed in Sri Vaishnava Sampradaya. Ramanuja is
supposed to have converted people from all backgrounds to Iyengars,
the Sri Vaishnavas, no offence intended.
It needed a great effort by Sri Appayya Dikshita to resuscitate Smarta
Sanatana Dharma.



Hari Om Tat Sat,
Sriram


On 7/13/12, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:
> praNams
> Hare Krishna
>
> The investiture of the thread ceremony to the person contrary to
> his Svadharma is like the Guru in this case the invigilator, giving
> the 8th std paper to 10th std student and the student writing it well.
>
>>  I'd like to see this in a different way, here guru who knows the
> 'extra' skill, shraddha, bhakti in his 10th std. pupil would not hesitate
> to give him the XII std. paper.  Here the guru 'knows' what his shishya
> capable of and accordingly initiate him.  His pUrvajanma saMskAra and
> ofcourse 'prArabdha' of that shishya may also play an important role to
> determine his new role.  The story of shishunALa shareefa, a poet & saint
> from Karnataka comes to my mind, his guru, Sri gOvinda bhatta did not
> hesitate to make his muslim shishya, a brAhmin.   Anyway, this should not
> set as a precedence as against the existing rules and regulations of our
> shAstra. But exceptional cases like this cannot be ruled out completely
> because it has been done with a spirit of noble purpose by the teachers
> who were ready to face the consequences.
>
> Bhagavad Gita clearly explains about one's Svadharma. Gita furthers
> says Paradharmo Bhaya vahaha, it means there is the possibility of
> contrary results. There can be no exception granted to the Dharma
> Shastra. Shastra means the Veda, vedangas and includes the smritis.
>
>>  Yes, there is nothing that can supersede the ultimate pramANa i.e.
> shAstra, but you can see the exceptions in mahAbhArata itself!! for
> example, vidhura, a dAsi pUtra, shUdra supposed to be a servant, was an
> advisor to the royal council which was full of brAhmaNa, kshatriya etc.
> Here again, pUrva janma saMskAra and sAdhana makes him a jnAni and could
> sit on par with other superiors.
>
>    The crux of Coimbatore speech is that the Jagadguru is being asked
> by various people to write a new Dharma Shastra for which Jagadguru
> replies that he cannot rewrite the Dharma Shastras.
>
>>  but instead to asking Mr. Paul Brunton to go back to his country and
> follow his 'svadharma', H.H. asked him to meet ramaNa maharshi why??  The
> answer lies in the personal interaction between a jnAni and sAdhaka and
> that guru knows what would be the 'samskAra' of that sAdhaka & his
> eligibility.
>
>>  while on the subject, I would like to say, our list member Sri
> Shivashankara prabhuji (erstwhile Mr. Stig Lundgren) can be considered as
> an exceptional case considering his shraddha, bhakti in hindu culture &
> rituals.  And if I remembered right, I had met one of his friends Mr.
> Martin (??, who accompanied him to India tour, whom I met with Sri
> shivashankara prabhuji) has been initiated by Sri Rangapriya swamiji, a
> shAstra vetta in Sri vaishNava saMpradAya and taught him the hayagreeva
> upAsana.  Sri shiva shankara prabhuji would give more details.  Again,
> another case of exception, unhesitatingly done by the saMpradAyavida!!
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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