[Advaita-l] mleccha-s not eligible to take Hinduism??

praveen kumar drpraveenks at gmail.com
Sat Jul 14 15:51:39 CDT 2012


Both smarta and Dwaita samparadaya recognise marriage as the Upanayana
samskara for a women.
When we have as sacred ceremony as upanayaa samakara,why harp on upanayana
for women?
Kanchi periyava also confirms this in Deiviti kurul.
It is a different issue how young men and women have resorted to fight over
petty issues in life and
end up in a ugly device invented by western world called divorce!!
You have written about sweedish man with yagnopavita,could not decipher
exactly what was the context about?

On 14 July 2012 20:45, <vadhula at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dear Sunil and all,
> Harita Smriti refers toUpanayana females in prior kalpa not current one.
> Praveen could probably confirm re: Sweedish man with yagnopaveeta and
> Rangapriya Swami
> Ravi
> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 2:33 PM, praveen kumar <drpraveenks at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sri Venkataramani,
> I am not sure about horoscope catching of sookshma sarira etc.I would not
> want to comment on something which i do not know.
> My grandfather was one of the well respected astrologers of India and I
> have not heard anything of this sort,so would not want to
> comment.
> Just stick to the word varna as that is the word used by Lord krishna in
> BG also.
> Finally,let us worry for adhikaris not following the niyama,for an
> anadhikari,Ishwara will guide in due course!!
> On 14 July 2012 19:46, Rajaram Venkataramani < <rajaramvenk at gmail.com>
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Dear Sri Praveen,
>> I never said birth is an accident - no event is. I clearly acknowledged
>> that varna like the colour of the skin or the eyes is acquired at birth as
>> a result of karma in previous births. I think it is the nature of sukshuma
>> sarira. I also agree that jati is an indicator of varna. However, I point
>> out the historical fact that jatis have changed. Mandal Commission reported
>> 3000 jatis whereas Manu Smrti reported 265 (if my memory serves right).
>> Manu himself talks about creation of new jatis as a result intermingling of
>> Varnas. He also gives the seven generation rule for a jati to change varna
>>  through matrimony. There will always be four Varnas. There can be
>> countless jatis and madhams (religions). Before Mohammad came, there was no
>> Islam. But the four Varnas were there and will be forever. Humans will
>> belong to one of these four Varnas.
>> I am not talking about outward sattvic nature. It is the nature of one's
>> sukshuma sarira and well determined through horoscope. I know that some
>> traditional scholars hold the position that paradesis can't get  adhikara
>> for vaidhika karma. It is for them to show evidence based on shruti and
>> smrti. All the countries described in the sruti and smrti had all the our
>> Varnas thriving. AFAIK, There is no rule prohibiting paradesis whereas
>> there are rules prohibiting sudras. Without showing the rules, you can't
>> argue that dharma is violated.
>> I would also ask for specific rules prohibiting upanayanam for girls.
>> Best Regards
>> Rajaram Venkatarmani
>> On Saturday, July 14, 2012, praveen kumar wrote:
>>> Sri Venkataramani,
>>> These are all based on my discussions with late Sri Rangapriya desikan
>>> who was one of the finest exponenets of dharma shastra of the country.
>>> We can't think/act as we wish.These are all already fine tuned and
>>> regulated processes.
> --
> Praveen


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