[Advaita-l] Attaining Advaita Siddhi after Krama Mukti

[V Subrahmanian]

On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> My question is what sruti / smrti pramana exists to say that those who
> attain saguna brahma loka attain advaita siddhi there?
>

In the Brahmasutra bhashya 4.3.10 and 11 this is discussed briefly.  In the
latter sutra bhashyam Shankara cites a smRti:

‘स्मृतेश्र्च’ इति अत्र हि "ब्रह्मणा सह ते सर्वे संप्राप्ते प्रतिसंचरे ।
परस्पान्ते कृतात्मानःप्रविशन्ति परं पद" मिति निर्गुणब्रह्मतत्त्वोपासका
महाप्रलये तत्रोत्पन्नसम्यग्धियो मुच्यमानेन ब्रह्मणा सह परम्पदं
प्रविशन्तीत्यर्थः ।

This smRti [When the time of final dissolution comes at the close of the
life of Hiranyagarbha, all of them, with enlightenment already attained,
enter into the supreme state along with Hiranyagarbha] is identified as
contained in kUrma purANa pUrva bhAga XII.269 in Swami Gambhirananda's
English translation.

Shankara has said in the earlier sutra bhashya:  This kind of liberation by
stages has to be admitted on the strength of the Upanishadic texts speaking
of non-return, etc.  For we established earlier that it is incomprehensible
that the supreme Brahman should be reached by any process of moving forward
(that is 'leaving the body after death'.  There is a Br.Up. mantra saying:
for the Jnani there is no 'going out of the body' for transmigration, his
prANa-s dissolve here itself. ' न तस्य प्राणा उत्क्रामन्ति, इहैव
समवनीयन्ते..’.  The Logic is:  if he is a jnani there will be going out
after death.  Since there is a going out through the suShumnA nADi for the
upAsakas, to brahma loka, and also since they are said to attain liberation
at the end of the brahma loka tenure, it is established that there is
something called krama mukti which is distinct from sadyo mukti.

regards
subrahmanian.v


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> To my knowledge Shankara does not talk of attaining VaikunTha in the
> prasthAna traya bhashya.  In case there is a mention of such attainment in
> any of the prakaraNa works or stotra works like the VishNu pAdAdi keshAnta
> stotram it could be a reference to saguna brahma loka.  In fact in the
> Shankara vijayam it is said that Shankara helped his mother AryAmbA attain
> ViShNu loka.
>
> As we have seen already in another thread that the four kinds of mukti like
> sArUpya are not considered as the real mukti of the Upanishads according to
> Advaitic tradition.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > While dualist schools talk about moksha in terms of attaining
> vaikuntha,
> > > Sankaracharya talks about this is as a step towards final emancipation.
> > > What are the sruti smrti pramana on which Sankaracharya bases his
> > position
> > > that after reaching vaikuntha, one attains Nirguna Brahman?
> > >
> > >
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