[Advaita-l] Attaining Advaita Siddhi after Krama Mukti

[Rajaram Venkataramani]

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On Thursday, September 27, 2012, V Subrahmanian wrote:

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> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:38 AM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'rajaramvenk at gmail.com');>
> > wrote:
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>> My question is what sruti / smrti pramana exists to say that those who
>> attain saguna brahma loka attain advaita siddhi there?
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> In the Brahmasutra bhashya 4.3.10 and 11 this is discussed briefly.  In
> the latter sutra bhashyam Shankara cites a smRti:
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> ‘स्मृतेश्र्च’ इति अत्र हि "ब्रह्मणा सह ते सर्वे संप्राप्ते प्रतिसंचरे ।
> परस्पान्ते कृतात्मानःप्रविशन्ति परं पद" मिति निर्गुणब्रह्मतत्त्वोपासका
> महाप्रलये तत्रोत्पन्नसम्यग्धियो मुच्यमानेन ब्रह्मणा सह परम्पदं
> प्रविशन्तीत्यर्थः ।
>
> This smRti [When the time of final dissolution comes at the close of the
> life of Hiranyagarbha, all of them, with enlightenment already attained,
> enter into the supreme state along with Hiranyagarbha] is identified as
> contained in kUrma purANa pUrva bhAga XII.269 in Swami Gambhirananda's
> English translation.
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> Shankara has said in the earlier sutra bhashya:  This kind of liberation
> by stages has to be admitted on the strength of the Upanishadic texts
> speaking of non-return, etc.  For we established earlier that it is
> incomprehensible that the supreme Brahman should be reached by any process
> of moving forward (that is 'leaving the body after death'.  There is a
> Br.Up. mantra saying: for the Jnani there is no 'going out of the body' for
> transmigration, his prANa-s dissolve here itself. ' न तस्य प्राणा
> उत्क्रामन्ति, इहैव समवनीयन्ते..’.  The Logic is:  if he is a jnani there
> will be going out after death.  Since there is a going out through the
> suShumnA nADi for the upAsakas, to brahma loka, and also since they are
> said to attain liberation at the end of the brahma loka tenure, it is
> established that there is something called krama mukti which is distinct
> from sadyo mukti.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
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>> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Attaining Advaita Siddhi after Krama Mukti
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>> To my knowledge Shankara does not talk of attaining VaikunTha in the
>> prasthAna traya bhashya.  In case there is a mention of such attainment in
>> any of the prakaraNa works or stotra works like the VishNu pAdAdi keshAnta
>> stotram it could be a reference to saguna brahma loka.  In fact in the
>> Shankara vijayam it is said that Shankara helped his mother AryAmbA attain
>> ViShNu loka.
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>> As we have seen already in another thread that the four kinds of mukti
>> like
>> sArUpya are not considered as the real mukti of the Upanishads according
>> to
>> Advaitic tradition.
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>> regards
>> subrahmanian.v
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:54 AM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
>> rajaramvenk at gmail.com <javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
>> 'rajaramvenk at gmail.com');>> wrote:
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>> > > While dualist schools talk about moksha in terms of attaining
>> vaikuntha,
>> > > Sankaracharya talks about this is as a step towards final
>> emancipation.
>> > > What are the sruti smrti pramana on which Sankaracharya bases his
>> > position
>> > > that after reaching vaikuntha, one attains Nirguna Brahman?
>> > >
>> > >
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