[Advaita-l] Desire, Jnana and Moksha

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste
You are saying Jnana alone is sufficient for escaping birth and death. But
how can any person know he has got Jnana if he has not conquered himself.
Someone said 'No person is free who is not a master of himself' If his
Vasanas and Manas are not in his control how he can say he is Jnani? How
can he act like a brute and say he is a Jnani?


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> H S CHANDRAMOULI
>
> Dear Sri Rajaramji,
>
> The answer to your question based on Jivanmuktiviveka by Sri Vidyaranya is
> as follows
>
> For one to become a Jivanmukta, three conditions have to be satisfied
> namely attainment of jnana, manonasha and vasanakshya. But for liberation
> and absence of rebirth attainment of jnana alone is sufficient. It may be
> pertinent to point out that there are other views amongst advaitins on the
> question of when a person becomes a Jivanmukta. Many are of the view that
> on attainment of jnana itself a person becomes a jivanmukta. However there
> are no differences concerning rebirth. attainment of jnana alone is
> sufficient for escaping from rebirth.
>
> When Ajnana is destroyed , Jnana automatically without any further effort
> as it is Swayamprakashah. This also leads to destruction of all sanchita
> and agami karma phalas. But prarabdha karma phala can be exhausted only by
> experiencing it. Hence the body continues to function. Dependimg on the
> sadhanas carriedout prior to jnana it is posssible that the other two
> attributes namely mano nasha and vasanakshaya might not have taken place.
> For this further nishtha in brahman is needed. After these two are also
> achieved he becomes a jivanmukta in this body itself.. However even without
> these there is no rebirth for one who has attained jnana. Once the current
> body dies, there is no further bodies to be taken.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hare Krishna! It is said that jnAna is the sole cause of liberation but a
> > jnani need not have gone through total mano nasa and vasana kshaya. It is
> > said some jnanis don't even sublate kama, krodha etc. If there are
> desires
> > are left in the mind, won't the sukshuma sarira go in to a new body to
> > enjoy that? How can there be moksha?
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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-Venkatesh