[Advaita-l] Desire, Jnana and Moksha

[H S Chandramouli]

HS CHANDRAMOULI

Dear Sri Venkatesha Murthyji,

I don't think a Jnani ever says he is a jnani. Nowhere is it said that a
jnani knows he has conquered himself. there is nothing to conquer. Mandukya
Karika has an excellent verse on this " state"  which says that there is no
bandha/moksha,sadhaka/sadhana,guru/shishya,papa/punya,etc in "state".I am
not able to give a reference to the verse as I am out of town and do not
have access to the book. On what is meant by manonasha and vasanakshaya I
have sent a separate mail in answer to another query.

Regards


On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 5:29 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>wrote:

> Namaste
> You are saying Jnana alone is sufficient for escaping birth and death. But
> how can any person know he has got Jnana if he has not conquered himself.
> Someone said 'No person is free who is not a master of himself' If his
> Vasanas and Manas are not in his control how he can say he is Jnani? How
> can he act like a brute and say he is a Jnani?
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 11:36 AM, H S Chandramouli
> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > H S CHANDRAMOULI
> >
> > Dear Sri Rajaramji,
> >
> > The answer to your question based on Jivanmuktiviveka by Sri Vidyaranya
> is
> > as follows
> >
> > For one to become a Jivanmukta, three conditions have to be satisfied
> > namely attainment of jnana, manonasha and vasanakshya. But for liberation
> > and absence of rebirth attainment of jnana alone is sufficient. It may be
> > pertinent to point out that there are other views amongst advaitins on
> the
> > question of when a person becomes a Jivanmukta. Many are of the view that
> > on attainment of jnana itself a person becomes a jivanmukta. However
> there
> > are no differences concerning rebirth. attainment of jnana alone is
> > sufficient for escaping from rebirth.
> >
> > When Ajnana is destroyed , Jnana automatically without any further effort
> > as it is Swayamprakashah. This also leads to destruction of all sanchita
> > and agami karma phalas. But prarabdha karma phala can be exhausted only
> by
> > experiencing it. Hence the body continues to function. Dependimg on the
> > sadhanas carriedout prior to jnana it is posssible that the other two
> > attributes namely mano nasha and vasanakshaya might not have taken place.
> > For this further nishtha in brahman is needed. After these two are also
> > achieved he becomes a jivanmukta in this body itself.. However even
> without
> > these there is no rebirth for one who has attained jnana. Once the
> current
> > body dies, there is no further bodies to be taken.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 12:32 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hare Krishna! It is said that jnAna is the sole cause of liberation
> but a
> > > jnani need not have gone through total mano nasa and vasana kshaya. It
> is
> > > said some jnanis don't even sublate kama, krodha etc. If there are
> > desires
> > > are left in the mind, won't the sukshuma sarira go in to a new body to
> > > enjoy that? How can there be moksha?
> > > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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