[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[rajaramvenk at gmail.com]

How would you ascertain that the world is unreal? It is a position not acceptable by other astika darshanas even. Unreality is also contradicted by direct experience of reality of even a jnAni. 
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From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 14:30:25 
To: Rajaram Venkataramani<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
Cc: balagopal ramakrishnan<rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes. That the world is unreal is not a matter of direct experience even
> for a jnani. Its  a position arrived at through a particular interpretation
> of scriptures and is just a mental construct. Is it not?
>

The way Advaita sees it, the 'experiencing the world' itself is a product
of avidya, adhyasa, in other words, a mental construct.   To remove that, a
counter mental construct is advanced: to understand that the
perceiver-perceving-perceived duality, verily a triad, is mithyA.  This is
arrived at by the study of the upanishad with yukti, manana and
nidhidyAsana.  On the one hand this exercise gives one the knowledge of the
underlying Truth, Brahman, the Self and on the other the mithyAtva
nishchaya pertaining to the world-phenomenon.  So, this nishchaya does not
require the vanishing of the triad spoken of above.  It can co-exist with
it.  That is called jivanmukti by Swami Vidyaranya in the Panchadashi.

regards
subrahmanian.v



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> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:08:28
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> Reply-To: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal
>
> >> experience of jIvan mukti
>
> RV Ji, isn't experience in the realm of duality contrasting moksha. i.e a
> 'jnani' doesn't experience differently, he understands. Isn't seeing clay,
> gold and ultimately brahman is all that to liberation.
>
> Regards
>
> Balagopal
>
>
>
> On Sunday, 8 December 2013 11:32 AM, "rajaramvenk at gmail.com" <
> rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> We all see a pot where a pot is. We see a rope where a rope is. We may
> mistake a rope for a snake due to similarity but we don't mistake it a rope
> for a pot, man or silver. The universal nature of our objective experience
> (pot, pain etc.) should tell us that there is an objective reality
> underlying them. If we say that the underlying reality is false, we will
> fail to deal with them in an objective manner. The experiences of pain and
> pleasure are universal to all creatures and result from the underlying
> realities such as disease, desirable objects etc. Materialism based on
> realism is required to focus on medical research that remove pain and
> making iPhones that increase pleasure. Is it not?
>
> I agree that vedanta gyana known through meta-physical perspective through
> sastras and logic is necessary for liberation or eternal bliss. Even there
> we may make devices and drugs that give the experience of jIvan mukti by
> creating the required mental modification.  I see a convergence of physics
> and meta-physics in future. What do you scholars think?
>
> Best Regards
> RV
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