[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste


A Scientist will know earth is round and rotates. But he will enjoy a
sunrise and sunset and say 'I enjoyed the sunrise'. But it does not mean
the sun is actually rising and setting. He knows that. Same way the Jnani
will enjoy the life drama and say 'I enjoyed the show'. He will look at a
pot and say 'the pot is round'. It does not mean he accepts it as real.

If you want first hand proof for earth going around sun you have to go
outside earth to a point in space. There you can see earth is rotating and
sun is illuminating one half and other half is dark. Then you can say ' I
saw earth rotating and causing sunrise and sunset'. But we can be happy to
read a book and conclude the same fact. Seeing is believing but we don't
have to see each and every thing to believe.


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:26 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> How would you ascertain that the world is unreal? It is a position not
> acceptable by other astika darshanas even. Unreality is also contradicted
> by direct experience of reality of even a jnAni.
> Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 14:30:25
> To: Rajaram Venkataramani<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for
> Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Cc: balagopal ramakrishnan<rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal
>
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 1:52 PM, <rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes. That the world is unreal is not a matter of direct experience even
> > for a jnani. Its  a position arrived at through a particular
> interpretation
> > of scriptures and is just a mental construct. Is it not?
> >
>
> The way Advaita sees it, the 'experiencing the world' itself is a product
> of avidya, adhyasa, in other words, a mental construct.   To remove that, a
> counter mental construct is advanced: to understand that the
> perceiver-perceving-perceived duality, verily a triad, is mithyA.  This is
> arrived at by the study of the upanishad with yukti, manana and
> nidhidyAsana.  On the one hand this exercise gives one the knowledge of the
> underlying Truth, Brahman, the Self and on the other the mithyAtva
> nishchaya pertaining to the world-phenomenon.  So, this nishchaya does not
> require the vanishing of the triad spoken of above.  It can co-exist with
> it.  That is called jivanmukti by Swami Vidyaranya in the Panchadashi.
>
> regards
> subrahmanian.v
>
>
>
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> > Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 16:08:28
> > To: rajaramvenk at gmail.com<rajaramvenk at gmail.com>; A discussion group for
> > Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>; A discussion group
> > for Advaita Vedanta<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > Reply-To: balagopal ramakrishnan <rbalpal at yahoo.co.in>
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal
> >
> > >> experience of jIvan mukti
> >
> > RV Ji, isn't experience in the realm of duality contrasting moksha. i.e a
> > 'jnani' doesn't experience differently, he understands. Isn't seeing
> clay,
> > gold and ultimately brahman is all that to liberation.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Balagopal
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sunday, 8 December 2013 11:32 AM, "rajaramvenk at gmail.com" <
> > rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > We all see a pot where a pot is. We see a rope where a rope is. We may
> > mistake a rope for a snake due to similarity but we don't mistake it a
> rope
> > for a pot, man or silver. The universal nature of our objective
> experience
> > (pot, pain etc.) should tell us that there is an objective reality
> > underlying them. If we say that the underlying reality is false, we will
> > fail to deal with them in an objective manner. The experiences of pain
> and
> > pleasure are universal to all creatures and result from the underlying
> > realities such as disease, desirable objects etc. Materialism based on
> > realism is required to focus on medical research that remove pain and
> > making iPhones that increase pleasure. Is it not?
> >
> > I agree that vedanta gyana known through meta-physical perspective
> through
> > sastras and logic is necessary for liberation or eternal bliss. Even
> there
> > we may make devices and drugs that give the experience of jIvan mukti by
> > creating the required mental modification.  I see a convergence of
> physics
> > and meta-physics in future. What do you scholars think?
> >
> > Best Regards
> > RV
> > Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
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Regards

-Venkatesh