[Advaita-l] Real vs. Unreal

[Nithin Sridhar]

I think, words cannot convey the meaning. At least I am not able to. You
are assuming that for a Jivanmukta, world exist as distinct from Brahman.
It is not so. A Jnani himself perceives Brahman alone. From Jnani's
standpoint, there is no distinction between Jivanmukta and Videhamukta.

It is only from standpoint of we commoners that such a distinction is made.


On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:51 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:

> If the world is not tucham, then it should be seen on videha mukti. The
> argument that it will be seen by jnAni in jivan mukti and not after death
> is what I'm questioning.
>
> On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > One more thing, World is not tucham- Non-existent like son of barren
> women.
> > World is called Mithyam i.e. which has no existence of its own. It takes
> > its existence from Brahman which is substratum.
> >
> > In Vyavaharika Dasha, we perceive Ishwara, Jiva and Jagat as 3 distinct
> > entities. This perception is due to Maya. From Paramartika dasha, Brahman
> > alone exist. Brahman who is Nirguna himself manifest as Universe in
> himself
> > and by himself.
> >
> > Hence, a Jnani who verily becomes Brahman, perceives his Atman
> everywhere.
> > What is understood as world, maya etc as distinct from Brahman becomes
> > Brahman alone at Jnana.
> >
> > Hence, such a Jnani, whether he maintains a body or not does not
> > matter.Just as God himself too avatara as Krishna by his own power,
> > similarly a Jnani maintains his body for lila.
> >
> > -Nithin
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 7:06 PM, Rajaram Venkataramani <
> > rajaramvenk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Nithin Sridhar <
> > sridhar.nithin at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Is Brahman also bounded and deluded by Maya? Or Maya is Shakti, by
> > which
> > > > Brahman manifests? A Jnani has verily become Brahman and hence, for
> him
> > > > Maya is not bondage.
> > >
> > >
> > > RV: We see mAyA only from a vyavahara perspective as the cause of
> > > vyavahara. Even now, we dont think mAyA binds Brahman. As of now, we
> > think
> > > Brahman manifests as jagat through the instrument of maya. Once you
> > attain
> > > jnAnA, there is no mAyA (or ajnAnA). Then where is the question of
> being
> > > bound by mAyA or seeing its effects?
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