[Advaita-l] Omniscience, etc. only due to upAdhi

[V Subrahmanian]

On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:45 PM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> The author of Ishta sidhi should read as Vijnanatman and not Viditatma.
>

It is VimuktAtman.


vs

> Regret the error.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 4:06 PM, H S Chandramouli
> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> > Namaste.
> >
> > This is regarding Iswara and Brahman. The answer to this issue given by
> > Bhagavatpada forms the core of advaita sidhanta, namely the maya vada.
> This
> > is the red rag for practically all those opposed to advaita including
> > western philosophers. Ofcourse those in India as well. This has been the
> > subject of extensive studies/discussions/deliberations etc of expert
> > thinkers/practitioners/darshanakaras/and so on for centuries now. It is
> not
> > as simple as swarupa/tatastha lakshanas. Sri Vidyaranya Swamiji has
> > deliberated on this briefly in his Panchadashi. But perhaps the most
> > authoritative and elaborate exposition is by Viditatman in his Ishta
> Sidhi
> > ( One of the four Sidhi works on Advaita, the other three being Brahma
> > Sidhi, Naishkarmya Sidhi  and Advaita Sidhi ). If one is so keenly
> > interested he should refer to this work. There may not be much point in
> > trying to discuss this issue in its entirety here in this forum.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> praNAms Sri Subbu prabhuji
> >> Hare Krishna
> >>
> >> >  its year end for me at office, bit busy with bread earning
> job:-))..so
> >> kindly bear with me for this curt reply.
> >>
> >> Actually only with  sarvajnatvaM, sarvashaktitvaM etc. Brahman (nirguNa.
> >> Turiya) is called Ishwara (saguNa, sixth mantra of mAnDUkya - ESha
> >> sarvajnaH...antaryAmi...).  That is the way Advaita distinguishes
> Brahman
> >> from Ishwara.
> >>
> >> >  but Ishwara is NOT different from brahman and if we are ready to
> accept
> >> Ishwara is sarvajna, I am not able to understand why not brahman?? Does
> >> parabrahman is inferior to Ishwara since he is lacking these
> qualities??!!
> >> OTOH, I would say,  brahman's potence (shakti) which is inherent like
> >> existence and jnAnaM will be active through upAdhi in srushti kriya.
> >> Hence, we call the parabrahman itself as sOpAdhika brahman or saguNa
> >> brahman to denote chetanatva behind srushti.  If we argue parabrahman is
> >> minus sarvashaktitvaM and sarvajnatvaM we are restricting the parabrahma
> >> tattva and implying that parabrahman would get sarvashaktitvaM and
> >> sarvajnatvaM from jadOpAdhi then become Ishwara!!.
> >>
> >>
> >> While attributing sarvajnatvaM, sarvashaktitvaM etc. to Brahman we see
> >> these as taTasthalakShaNa and not svarUpalakShaNa.  'Inherent' means
> >> svarUpa.
> >>
> >> >  Yes, brahman's svarUpa is omnipotence, omniscience no matter whether
> >> 'omni' is there or not !!  And this inherent shaktitva will be displayed
> >> through upAdhi in srushtikriya (creation) and karma phala distribution
> >> etc. ekO devaH sarva bhUteshu gUdAH...kevalO nirhuNascha
> >> ....shvetAshvatara. Just like consciousness is the nature (svarUpa /
> >> svabhAva) of brahman shakti, knowledge etc. are the nature of brahman.
> >> jnAna, shakti, Ishitavya etc. are the nature (inherent) of para brahman
> >> and parabrahman's these inherent nature is not borrowed one from upAdhi
> >> when he becomes Ishwara (sOpAdhika).  To distinguish the difference
> >> between shakti and shaktimAn, jnAna and jnAnavAn etc, the upAdhi-s have
> >> been introduced and it does not anyway mean after getting upAdhi
> >> brahman/Ishwara  would get the power  of sarvajnatvaM and
> sarvashaktitvaM.
> >>
> >>
> >> It is essentially with a view to explain the 'everything' the shakti is
> >> admitted.  'No shakti, no creation.'
> >>
> >> >  Yes, no shakti means no creation but it does not mean no creation
> then
> >> brahman would remain minus shakti. To be precise, creation depends on
> >> Ishwara shakti but  Ishwara shakti would not vanish if creation is not
> >> there since shakti, jnAna, chetanatvaM etc. are inherent to brahman !!
> >> Hence, IMO, shakti, jnAna, consciounsness etc. are svarUpa lakshaNa (
> not
> >> tatastha lakshaNa which is temporary)  of parabrahman which would get
> >> projected through upAdhi in srushti and with upAdhi (sOpAdhika) the same
> >> parabrahman is called saguNa, sOpAdhika, kArya brahma.
> >>
> >> >  We shall discuss this in detail with sUtra and itareya bhAshya.
> >>
> >> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> >> bhaskar
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