[Advaita-l] In defense of Advaita and Vivarta-Vada

[Sujal Upadhyay]

Pranams Ravi ji,

RAvi: Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant
Veda , become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly
with regards to marriage , diet, etc.

Moksha and gyana are open to all, but karma Kand, as full time job, is
exclusive to Brahmins, as they are not allowed to do any job.

Various e.g. from both sides claiming vArNa is by birth and other claiming
varNa is by guNa can be given from shastra-s.

Only thing that make me to favour varNa by Birth is

VarNa is by guNa, but guNa is by birth BG18.41 Shankara BhASya. Else why
would bhagavan give birth in a particular family?

There are e.g. of promotions form lower to higher varNa, but there is no
single e.g. of demotion. What if Brahmin commits a sin or a Kshatriya
commits a sin, does they get pushed down to a Shudra?

Is there a procedure for promotion or demotion. The only procedure I know
is upnayana sanskaara which gives rites to 3 varNa-s to study veda-s.

Vedanta or tatva Jnana can be given to all, but the way of teaching may be
different.

Aum



OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Ravi Chandrasekhara <vadhula at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Pranam,
>
> What does it mean by allowing another jaathi /varna member to follow
> Braahmana dharma?
>
> Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant Veda ,
> become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly with
> regards to marriage , diet, etc.
>
> Also then the corollary, if a Nraahmana behaves like a Shudra, then in
> order to follow dharma properly, should we cut off his yagnopaveeta ?
>
> Ravi Chandrasekhara
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 22:33, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > True. The very fact Krishna is saying that renounce all Dharma's show
> that
> > the person had already overcome Adharma. This is Ideal stage that every
> > person must aspire for. Once, we surrender ourselves to God giving up all
> > our duties etc as dedication to him, then God himself will guide us. We
> > become the vehicle and he the rider. We make ourselves a fit medium for
> his
> > work. In fact it speaks about what is called by Prahlada as
> "Atma-Nivedana".
> >
> > -Nithin
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> You can refer to Gita Super Site <http://202.3.77.102/acquia/?q=node/20
> >
> >>
> >> In BG 18.66, only our acharya has said that one has to leave both dharma
> >> and adharma (which implies that one has to transcend both)
> >>
> >> OM
> >>
> >> Sujal Upadhyay
> >>
> >> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> >> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> >>
> >> He who has faith has all
> >> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> >> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> >> FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> P.Y.S refer to Patanjali Yoga Sutra :)
> >>>
> >>> कृतार्थ प्रति नष्टमऊयनष्ट तदन्यसाधारणत्वात्‌ ॥ २२ ॥
> >>> 2.22 Though the object of experience becomes unreal to him who has
> >> reached
> >>> the state of liberation, it remains real to all otehr beings.
> >>>
> >>> P.Y.S. by Swami Prabhavananda of Ramakrishna Ashram, Page 90
> >>>
> >>> ​<Content Clipped>​
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