[Advaita-l] In defense of Advaita and Vivarta-Vada

[Nithin Sridhar]

Varna by birth has lost much of its meaning today as people have forsaken
their duties. Today many non-brahmins exhibit Brahmin temperaments and many
Brahmins exhibit other temperaments. Hence, Jati is not in alignment with
Guna, due to this determination of one's Varna Dharma has become
complicated.

- Nithin


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pranams Ravi ji,
>
> RAvi: Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant
> Veda , become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly
> with regards to marriage , diet, etc.
>
> Moksha and gyana are open to all, but karma Kand, as full time job, is
> exclusive to Brahmins, as they are not allowed to do any job.
>
> Various e.g. from both sides claiming vArNa is by birth and other claiming
> varNa is by guNa can be given from shastra-s.
>
> Only thing that make me to favour varNa by Birth is
>
> VarNa is by guNa, but guNa is by birth BG18.41 Shankara BhASya. Else why
> would bhagavan give birth in a particular family?
>
> There are e.g. of promotions form lower to higher varNa, but there is no
> single e.g. of demotion. What if Brahmin commits a sin or a Kshatriya
> commits a sin, does they get pushed down to a Shudra?
>
> Is there a procedure for promotion or demotion. The only procedure I know
> is upnayana sanskaara which gives rites to 3 varNa-s to study veda-s.
>
> Vedanta or tatva Jnana can be given to all, but the way of teaching may be
> different.
>
> Aum
>
>
>
> OM
>
> Sujal Upadhyay
>
> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
>
> He who has faith has all
> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Ravi Chandrasekhara <vadhula at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Pranam,
> >
> > What does it mean by allowing another jaathi /varna member to follow
> > Braahmana dharma?
> >
> > Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant Veda
> ,
> > become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly with
> > regards to marriage , diet, etc.
> >
> > Also then the corollary, if a Nraahmana behaves like a Shudra, then in
> > order to follow dharma properly, should we cut off his yagnopaveeta ?
> >
> > Ravi Chandrasekhara
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2013, at 22:33, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > True. The very fact Krishna is saying that renounce all Dharma's show
> > that
> > > the person had already overcome Adharma. This is Ideal stage that every
> > > person must aspire for. Once, we surrender ourselves to God giving up
> all
> > > our duties etc as dedication to him, then God himself will guide us. We
> > > become the vehicle and he the rider. We make ourselves a fit medium for
> > his
> > > work. In fact it speaks about what is called by Prahlada as
> > "Atma-Nivedana".
> > >
> > > -Nithin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can refer to Gita Super Site <
> http://202.3.77.102/acquia/?q=node/20
> > >
> > >>
> > >> In BG 18.66, only our acharya has said that one has to leave both
> dharma
> > >> and adharma (which implies that one has to transcend both)
> > >>
> > >> OM
> > >>
> > >> Sujal Upadhyay
> > >>
> > >> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> > >> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> > >>
> > >> He who has faith has all
> > >> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> > >> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> > >> FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> P.Y.S refer to Patanjali Yoga Sutra :)
> > >>>
> > >>> कृतार्थ प्रति नष्टमऊयनष्ट तदन्यसाधारणत्वात्‌ ॥ २२ ॥
> > >>> 2.22 Though the object of experience becomes unreal to him who has
> > >> reached
> > >>> the state of liberation, it remains real to all otehr beings.
> > >>>
> > >>> P.Y.S. by Swami Prabhavananda of Ramakrishna Ashram, Page 90
> > >>>
> > >>> ​<Content Clipped>​
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