[Advaita-l] In defense of Advaita and Vivarta-Vada

[ravi chandrasekhara]

Pranam,

In my post, it should say : socially and legal it is ok but not proper as per shastras. Unfortunately many due to self will or circumstances are not aligned with their varna by birth and hence these discussions and arguments arise. It has happened in the past, e.g., Ashwathamma, Ravana, etc. But maybe more frequent in Kali Yuga ?

Ravi Chandrasekhara



On Friday, November 22, 2013 11:15 AM, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com> wrote:
 
Varna by birth has lost much of its meaning today as people have forsaken
their duties. Today many non-brahmins exhibit Brahmin temperaments and many
Brahmins exhibit other temperaments. Hence, Jati is not in alignment with
Guna, due to this determination of one's Varna Dharma has become
complicated.

- Nithin


On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pranams Ravi ji,
>
> RAvi: Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant
> Veda , become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly
> with regards to marriage , diet, etc.
>
> Moksha and gyana are open to all, but karma Kand, as full time job, is
> exclusive to Brahmins, as they are not allowed to do any job.
>
> Various e.g. from both sides claiming vArNa is by birth and other claiming
> varNa is by guNa can be given from shastra-s.
>
> Only thing that make me to favour varNa by Birth is
>
> VarNa is by guNa, but guNa is by birth BG18.41 Shankara BhASya. Else why
> would bhagavan give birth in a particular family?
>
> There are e.g. of promotions form lower to higher varNa, but there is no
> single e.g. of demotion. What if Brahmin commits a sin or a Kshatriya
> commits a sin, does they get pushed down to a Shudra?
>
> Is there a procedure for promotion or demotion. The only procedure I know
> is upnayana sanskaara which gives rites to 3 varNa-s to study veda-s.
>
> Vedanta or tatva Jnana can be given to all, but the way of teaching may be
> different.
>
> Aum
>
>
>
> OM
>
> Sujal Upadhyay
>
> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
>
> He who has faith has all
> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Ravi Chandrasekhara <vadhula at yahoo.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Pranam,
> >
> > What does it mean by allowing another jaathi /varna member to follow
> > Braahmana dharma?
> >
> > Moksha and gyana is open to all. Socially and legally one can chant Veda
> ,
> > become a purohit , etc but that is proper per Shastras. Similarly with
> > regards to marriage , diet, etc.
> >
> > Also then the corollary, if a Nraahmana behaves like a Shudra, then in
> > order to follow dharma properly, should we cut off his yagnopaveeta ?
> >
> > Ravi Chandrasekhara
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Nov 21, 2013, at 22:33, Nithin Sridhar <sridhar.nithin at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > True. The very fact Krishna is saying that renounce all Dharma's show
> > that
> > > the person had already overcome Adharma. This is Ideal stage that every
> > > person must aspire for. Once, we surrender ourselves to God giving up
> all
> > > our duties etc as dedication to him, then God himself will guide us. We
> > > become the vehicle and he the rider. We make ourselves a fit medium for
> > his
> > > work. In fact it speaks about what is called by Prahlada as
> > "Atma-Nivedana".
> > >
> > > -Nithin
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> You can refer to Gita Super Site <
> http://202.3.77.102/acquia/?q=node/20
> > >
> > >>
> > >> In BG 18.66, only our acharya has said that one has to leave both
> dharma
> > >> and adharma (which implies that one has to transcend both)
> > >>
> > >> OM
> > >>
> > >> Sujal Upadhyay
> > >>
> > >> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> > >> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> > >>
> > >> He who has faith has all
> > >> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> > >> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> > >> FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Sujal Upadhyay <sujal.u at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> P.Y.S refer to Patanjali Yoga Sutra :)
> > >>>
> > >>> कृतार्थ प्रति नष्टमऊयनष्ट तदन्यसाधारणत्वात्‌ ॥ २२ ॥
> > >>> 2.22 Though the object of experience becomes unreal to him who has
> > >> reached
> > >>> the state of liberation, it remains real to all otehr beings.
> > >>>
> > >>> P.Y.S. by Swami Prabhavananda of Ramakrishna Ashram, Page 90
> > >>>
> > >>> ​<Content Clipped>​
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