[Advaita-l] Samit Pani

[Srirudra]

Dears
I think the thread has digressed too far.The question was about Brahmajnanam and whether Sri Sankara 's saying that Karma kanda has to be given up and if so why students seeking Brahmajnanam should approach with samith a guru who is a brahma jnani and the fuel sticks denote Karma.R.Krishnamoorthy.

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> On 27-Oct-2013, at 12:21 am, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Namaste,
> 
> Please permit me to divert a bit from the main line of discussion, to draw your attention to a point, which is most often neglected. This is in connection with what you said :
> 
> Quote
> "The Guru is going to see his physical appearance at first with his eyes."
> Unquote
> 
> What you wrote is very sound. That is the one of the reason why in the ancient times the girls were not sent to gurukul and the vidya was inparted by father to daughter  as Kanvamuni did  that to Shakuntala. That is because of the custom followed by many gurus is that the guru must see the disciple in full body. In ancient times the husband also could give vidya to wife as Yajnavalkya taught his wife, so much so that she could stand upto her husband in a debate among scholars. There is a Sanksrit verse (which I read in many years ago and I do not recollect the details now), which says that a female should chose a female guru and male should choose a male guru. There have been many problems in the past as wel as in the recent times when this dictum was ignored.
> 
> Regards,
> Sunil KB
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, October 26, 2013 2:46 AM, Sumitha Ramachandran <sumitha.rama at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Namaste,
>                Jnanagnihi cannot  burn the Ardhrachethas  (Mind wet due to Karma bandha)but will burn quickly with shuddha viragaha (vairagya shushkam). .............shloka 40 of Shathashloki by Sri. Shankara Bhagawadpada.
>  
> It shows the readiness of the student for Brahma vidya with immense vairagya  who approaches the Guru with folded hands as a sign of humility.
>  
> The Guru is going to see his physical appearance at first with his eyes. The student for his part shows his humility with his folded palms followed by submission of dried sticks indicative of his vairagya and falling like Dhanda at His Lotus Feet indicative of complete surrender.
>  
> regards,
> smt.sumitha
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> To: A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> 
> Sent: Saturday, 26 October 2013 4:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Samit Pani
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Venkata sriram P
> <venkatasriramp at yahoo.in>wrote:
> 
>> Namaste,
>> 
>> Our dharma says that one should never approach elders (guru & acharya)
>> empty-handed.
>> 
> 
> Dear Sriram ji,
> 
> In the Anandagiri gloss for the bhashya on the said Mundaka mantra 1.2.12,
> it is said: 'samitpANiH iti vinayopalakShaNam.'  [The expression
> 'samitpANiH' is a representative indication for the humility of the
> aspirant approaching the Guru].  The editor Sri Subrahmanya Sastri in the
> foot note says:
> 
> // By the word 'brahmaniShTha' the BhashyakAra indicates that he is a
> sannyAsin.  Then, what is the use of going to such a one with samit which
> is of no use to him? In order to answer this Anandagiri says that it is an
> upalakShaNa, representative indication, to the aspirant's vinaya,
> humility.  SamitpANitvam on the part of the aspirant will be directly
> appropriate in the case of those householder-brahmaniShTha-s such as
> Janaka, yAjnavalkya and angiras. //
> 
> One another explanation I have heard is: the samit, dried sticks, are
> indicative of the sishya's readiness to subject himself to the rigours of
> brahmavidyA and receive it successfully just as dried sticks will
> immediately burn when put in fire.
> 
> regards
> subrahmanian.v 
> 
> 
>> 
>> Having submitted the appropriate sambhAvana to the Acharya either in the
>> form of phala, dhana, vastu etc., one should seek their blessings which is
>> called "AsheevAdaM".  This is maNgaLa-sUchaka.
>> 
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