[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Seeking clarification on Bri. Up. Mantra 1-4-2

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Dears
This word occurs in BG - Aratir Jana samsadhi.Chapter13/stanza10.The meaning is dislike for crowds.This chapter deals with Kshetram and Kshetrajnan.Vraja occurring in Chapter18/stanza66 means seek/surrender.I think it is not viraj.
We have to take appropriate meaning that fits with the context as same words give different meanings for different usages.That is why we are faced with the problem of what exactly the composer had in mind when He used such a word.R.Krishnamoorthy.

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> On 20-Apr-2014, at 12:21 pm, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Namaste.
> 
> << I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
> verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi' which
> means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite of
> rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify? >>
> 
> " arati " is translated as " want of delight " . In kannada , " besarike "
> . I think the same holds good for the BG context quoted above also. " lack
> of delight in congregation ". " boredom " also perhaps is suitable.
> 
> In the context of Viraj, the sense of loneliness/want of delight  /boredom
> leads to the desire to Create , in line with his prarabdha karma.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Regards
> 
> 
> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:50 AM, V Subrahmanian
> <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 11:41 AM, H S Chandramouli <
>> hschandramouli at gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear Sri Kuntimaddiji,
>>> 
>>> Enjoyment of that position entails the desire ( arathi ) for Creation
>> also
>>> . That is how and why he continues to discharge the functions of that
>>> position even after attaining knowledge. Due to prarabdha karma phala.
>> This
>>> is the answer given by the verse 103 << apyuttannatmabodhanam
>>> adhikaraasamaptitah I aratyadi yatha drishtam tathaiva syaat prajapateh
>> II
>>>>> translated as << just as  for those who have attained knowledge desire
>>> etc continue to appear to arise since the adhikara ( prarabdha karma in
>> my
>>> understanding ) is not exhausted , even so is the case with Prajapathi (
>>> Viraj in this context ) >>.
>>> 
>>> Namaste
>> 
>> I am not sure of the meaning of the word 'arathi' in the above cited
>> verse.  In the BG there is a usage of this word 'aratiH janasamsadi' which
>> means: no taste/desire for congregation.'  The word here is the opposite of
>> rati, desire.  Could you pl. clarify?
>> 
>> Thanks
>> vs
>> 
>> 
>>> I presume that answers the issue suitably.
>>> 
>>> Regards
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 4:12 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
>>> kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --------------------------------------------
>>>> On Sat, 4/19/14, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Viraj has fear only before knowledge. Not afterwards.The Bhashya next
>>>> proceeds with the reasons for Viraj feeling " lonely " ( absence of
>>> Delight
>>>> ) after gaining knowledge. I am not sure if you are refering to this
>> when
>>>> you say << But Bhaashya seems to imply something else, unless I
>>>> misunderstood its
>>>> implication. >> Kindly clarify.
>>>> 
>>>> Have I really addressed any of the points raised by you. I am myself
>> not
>>>> 
>>>> ------------------
>>>> Chandaramouliji  - PraNAms .Thanks for the response.
>>>> 
>>>> Jiiva got the viraj position by the purification of the mind doing the
>>>> upaasana, say that exemplified in precious chapter of Bri. Up (1-3-28)
>> on
>>>> asatoma sadgamaya etc. The upaasana does not give the knowledge of
>>> oneness
>>>> by itself. If has gained the knowledge of oneness, that is incomplete
>>> since
>>>> he is taking the birth again as Viraj since if he had that knowledge of
>>>> oneness he should be free from birth. In addition the very  desire to
>>>> become viraj and the subsequent upaasana shows that he did not have
>>>> knowledge of oneness since desire involves something other than what
>> one
>>> is.
>>>> 
>>>> If he did not have complete knowledge but just enough knowledge without
>>>> any instruction, what kind of knowledge of oneness is that? He knows he
>>> is
>>>> one without a second, and still feels he is lonely. The loneliness and
>>> the
>>>> associated fear comes if one finds there is no other jiivas, but there
>> is
>>>> vast world other than himself. The knowledge which he remembered from
>> the
>>>> past life (since there was no one to teach viraj) eliminated the fear
>> but
>>>> not the loneliness as the subsequent mantras indicated.
>>>> 
>>>> The objection that was raised was not addressed in the subsequent
>>>> bhaashya, as I understand. Yet there are pages of bhaashya in response
>> to
>>>> the objection raised. Hence my post.
>>>> 
>>>> Hari Om!
>>>> Sadananda
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