[Advaita-l] Narayanaya in Advaita

[H S Chandramouli]

By << status >> I mean status concerning Reality.

Regards


On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 12:36 PM, H S Chandramouli
<hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:

> HS Chandramouli
>
> Sri Subrahmanianji wrote
>
> << In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse  नारायणोऽहं नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I
> am
> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it would hardly be correct to
> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is the consort of Lakshmi.
> In Advaita expressions like  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do not refer to the
> personal God.
>
> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
> and
> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA. >>
>
> I am not interpreting any particular verse or shruti vakyas as referring
> to a specific form/name. All I am saying is that in our puranas there are
> any number of references to Narayana as residing in Vaikuntha/milky ocean
> etc. And many of my friends were keen to know the status of such a personal
> God like Narayana in advaita . That is all.
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 10:15 PM, V Subrahmanian <v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> In the Vivekachudamani we have a verse  नारायणोऽहं नरकान्तकोऽहम्...[I am
>> nArAyaNa the slayer of naraka/asura] .where it would hardly be correct to
>> think the name 'nAraayaNa' means the Lord who is the consort of Lakshmi.
>> In Advaita expressions like  नारायणोऽहं , शिवोऽहम् do not refer to the
>> personal God.
>>
>> In the above verse 'nArAyaNa' refers to JnanasvarUpam/akhaNDAkAravRttiH
>> and
>> 'naraka' / narakAsura refers to ignorance/avidyA.
>>
>> subrahmanian.v
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:33 PM, H S Chandramouli
>> <hschandramouli at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> > HS Chandramouli
>> >
>> > So many shruti vakyas have been cited in this thread to highlight the
>> > advaitic concept of Narayana. However there are so many references in
>> our
>> > shastras , shruti/purana etc , to Narayana with a definite form, endowed
>> > with ayudhas/ornaments etc , and involved in so many activities . Many
>> of
>> > my advaita friends have always had a doubt on advaita's stand regarding
>> the
>> > reality status of this Narayana vis a vis rest of the creation. This has
>> > been eulogized so much that while they have no difficulty in accepting
>> the
>> > mithyatvam of rest of the creation ( mostly interpreted as unreal/false
>> )
>> > same is not so with regard to this Narayana. Sri Ramanujacharya cites
>> the
>> > Narayanasukta which according to him refers to this Narayana as the only
>> > authoritative shruti to identify the Highest Truth ( supported by Sri
>> > Vishnumaha Purana ) . Ofcourse in most of their discourses the dvaitins
>> do
>> > not forget to mention that advaita does not  accept the reality of even
>> > such a Narayana !!!!!!!! Perhaps there is a need to answer the question
>> > with specific reference to this Narayana. I have tried to answer them as
>> > follows.
>> >
>> > << Narayana as distinct from/different from/ separate from /
>> independant of
>> > I the Consciouness is Mithya.
>> >
>> >      Narayana as same as / nondifferent from / nondistinct from /
>> identical
>> > with I the Consciouness is Sathya  >>
>> >
>> > May be better ways are available to answer the question.
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Namaste
>> > >
>> > > The Narayana name is very holy because Mahabharata and Bhagavata say -
>> > > Naaraayanam Namaskrutya Naram Chaiva NarOttamam. In Bhagavata the
>> story
>> > of
>> > > Ajamila is given. He was a great sinner. But he called his son's name
>> > > Narayana at the time of death when Yama Dootas were pulling him but
>> God
>> > > Narayana protected him.
>> > > The Naaraayana Ashtakshari Mantra is compulsory for Vaishnavas. When
>> they
>> > > do the Purusha Sukta homa also they say every line from Pursha Sukta
>> and
>> > > then Om Namo Naaraayanaaya Swaahaa" after each line. It gives a good
>> > effect
>> > > for Purusha Sukta Homa.
>> > >
>> > > In Advaita Naaraayana is Brahman only. Narayana Upanishad is saying
>> > > 'Naaraayana Evedagm Sarvam Yadbhutam Yacca Bhavyam. Nishkalo Niranjano
>> > > Nirvikalpo Niraakhyaataha Shuddho Deva Eko Naaraayanaha. Na Dviteeyo
>> Asti
>> > > Kashchit. Ya Evam Veda. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati. Sa Vishnureva Bhavati.
>> > > Everything in past, present and future is Naraayaana only. He who
>> knows
>> > > this becomes Vishnu. He becomes Vishnu. The Naaraayana Ashtakshara is
>> > given
>> > > next by the Upanishad.
>> > >
>> > > Complete text of Upanishad.
>> > > http://www.sathyasaiottawa.org/pdf/Vedam/Narayana_Upanishad.pdf
>> > >
>> > > Namo Naaraayanaaya. Namo Venkateshaaya.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Regards
>> > >
>> > > -Venkatesh
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