[Advaita-l] svabhAva of Atman IS 'sarvajnatvaM'
sunil_bhattacharjya at yahoo.com
Wed Jan 8 15:13:07 CST 2014
In the verse 11.37 of the Bhagavad Gita Arjuna says : You are the Infinite, Lord of the gods, the Imperishable, the Manifest and the Unmanifest and that which is beyond both.
After this should we try to differentiate between Ishvara and Brahman any further ? It is probably enough for us to know that Adi Shankara's efforts to lead us to the ultimate state, the Jnanaswaroopa and that is line with what Lord Ram advised the Rudra-avatara Hanuman too, to meditate on the state of the Lord beyond attributes.
On Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:39 AM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
No Sir. As all of us are Avidya kalpita, So for us Iswara is Real and hence
no need to be atheistic on that count.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:47 PM, Srirudra <srirudra at gmail.com> wrote:
> If Eashwara is avidhya kalpitha will it not lead to
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> > On 07-Jan-2014, at 8:08 am, Srinath Vedagarbha <svedagarbha at gmail.com>
> > Namaste Sri.Bhaskar prabhu-ji,
> >> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 6:18 AM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>
> >> praNAms
> >> Hare krishna
> >> 03. brahman (adviteeya) has the svabhAva of sarvajnatvaM :
> >> Now, coming back to brahman's sarvajnatvaM, sarvashaktitvaM etc. If we
> >> know that brahman is the ONLY adviteeya cause for this jagat we would
> >> how inherent this shakti, jnAna of sarva to brahman.
> > What you say makes sense only if such "ONLY Advitia Cause" is real one.
> > in the siddhAnta, this jagat is not really "CREATED" but just arOpita. So
> > all your subsequent arguments based on this wrong premise just does not
> > work.
> > It is basically same, since jagat is aarOpita only, it's "ONLY Advitia
> > Cause" is also equally aarOpita and hence all sarvajnattavam etc. based
> > such creator-ship hEtu are all just aarOpita guNa-s.
> > When Ishwara is aarOpita (meaning Ishwara is considered to be existing
> > during one is under the spell of avidya), how can such Ishwara's guNa-s
> > not kalipta?
> > However much one does not wants to accept Ishwara is avidya kalipta in
> > their humble bhakti mode, but unfortunately it is so under advaita
> > siddhanta and no escape for such person as long as he takes shelter under
> > siddhanta.
> > /SV
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