[Advaita-l] Creation & Creator

[Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l]

I used the word jIva in the sense of jIvo brahmaiva nAparaH, where the real identity of the jIva is indeed consciousness.
Let me emend my wording in the previous mail, to say, "an adhyAsa of manas/citta on to the Atman" and "nothing really happens to the Atman." Does that solve the apparent issue?
Best regards,Vidyasankar

Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:15:14 +0530
Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Creation & Creator
From: hschandramouli at gmail.com
To: svidyasankar at hotmail.com; advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org

Sri Vidyashankarji wrote 


 

<< A samAdhi
experience at a particular time and place happens to the mind that enters
samAdhi at that particular time and place. This serves as a window/mirror for
the jIva to cease the adhyAsa of anAtman on itself (Atman), or at least to
loosen the bondage of this adhyAsa if not cease it altogether. Nothing really
happens to the jIva. In reality, the question of "not to other
jIva-s" does not arise.

To
say, even only as a matter of speech, that samAdhi happens to one jIvAtman and
not to other jIvAtman-s, is itself an instance of adhyAsa of the manas/citta
onto the jIva, whereas mano-buddhy-ahaMkAra-cittAni nAham. >> . 

 

 I am unable to overcome the feeling that in
many places like for example an instance of adhyAsa of the manas/citta onto the
jIva, or Nothing
really happens to the jIva ,
Consciouness is used synonymously with jiva 
( or at least nearly so ) . I may be excused if I have made a foolish
blunder. Would it not be better to understand instead that  jivatva ( jivahood/notion of being a jiva ) is
negated/destroyed at the time of selfrealization ? 

 

Regards


On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:



> sAshtAnga praNAms Sri Vidya prabhuji

> Hare Krishna

>

> The base presumptions in this particular case relate to the eternality of creation

>

> >  prabhuji does not creation has been explained as 'pariNAmi nitya' in advaita??

>



That is just a term to distinguish it from the nityatva of Atman - brahman, after denying the reality of pariNAma in brahman.

>

> and the notion of realization as an event in time,

>

> > prabhuji,  if my memory serves me right in the context of samAdhi experience on a particular day, time etc. I think it has been argued that realization is an event in time for that particular jeeva.

>

> happening to particular jIva-s and not to other jIva-s.

>





A samAdhi experience at a particular time and place happens to the mind that enters samAdhi at that particular time and place. This serves as a window/mirror for the jIva to cease the adhyAsa of anAtman on itself (Atman), or at least to loosen the bondage of this adhyAsa if not cease it altogether. Nothing really happens to the jIva. In reality, the question of "not to other jIva-s" does not arise.


To say, even only as a matter of speech, that samAdhi happens to one jIvAtman and not to other jIvAtman-s, is itself an instance of adhyAsa of the manas/citta onto the jIva, whereas mano-buddhy-ahaMkAra-cittAni nAham.


I will leave the rest unsaid.

Best regards,Vidyasankar

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