[Advaita-l] Creation & Creator

[Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l]

Namaste

In meditational journey, you wont find yourself (as consciousness) changing
at any time.

Any any point of time you are always the knower, which is nothing but
consciousness. But this is not clear i.e. the conclusion that 'I am
consciousness', only when there is no thought, no object of observation and
even for a moment it is just you, mind totally absorbed in Self (brahman),
then one can 'clearly' conclude (by experience) that one is consciousness.

After crossing this level, i.e. ISvara giving you this experience,
questions themselves start dissolving in source. You  don't specifically
need to attend them or dissolve them, just ignore them. Now mind will not
think whether this soul and creation is eternal, nor does it care of any
siddhAnta or philosophy, heart longs for this indescribable blissful state,
which is eternal peace, a sense of completeness and indescribable Ananda.
Now you know that you {'I'} is never going to die :)

Just my two cents ;)

Silence is the study of the scruptures. Meditation is the continuous
thinking of Brahman which is to be meditated upon. The complete negation of
both by knowledge is the vision of truth – sadAcAra-14 of Adi SankarAcArya

OM

Sujal Upadhyay

"To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi

He who has faith has all
He who lacks faith, lacks all
It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
FAITH IS LIFE, DOUBT IS DEATH - Sri Ramakrishna


On Sun, Jun 22, 2014 at 8:13 PM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> I used the word jIva in the sense of jIvo brahmaiva nAparaH, where the
> real identity of the jIva is indeed consciousness.
> Let me emend my wording in the previous mail, to say, "an adhyAsa of
> manas/citta on to the Atman" and "nothing really happens to the Atman."
> Does that solve the apparent issue?
> Best regards,Vidyasankar
>
> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:15:14 +0530
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Creation & Creator
> From: hschandramouli at gmail.com
> To: svidyasankar at hotmail.com; advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
>
> Sri Vidyashankarji wrote
>
>
>
>
> << A samAdhi
> experience at a particular time and place happens to the mind that enters
> samAdhi at that particular time and place. This serves as a window/mirror
> for
> the jIva to cease the adhyAsa of anAtman on itself (Atman), or at least to
> loosen the bondage of this adhyAsa if not cease it altogether. Nothing
> really
> happens to the jIva. In reality, the question of "not to other
> jIva-s" does not arise.
>
> To
> say, even only as a matter of speech, that samAdhi happens to one jIvAtman
> and
> not to other jIvAtman-s, is itself an instance of adhyAsa of the
> manas/citta
> onto the jIva, whereas mano-buddhy-ahaMkAra-cittAni nAham. >> .
>
>
>
>  I am unable to overcome the feeling that in
> many places like for example an instance of adhyAsa of the manas/citta
> onto the
> jIva, or Nothing
> really happens to the jIva ,
> Consciouness is used synonymously with jiva
> ( or at least nearly so ) . I may be excused if I have made a foolish
> blunder. Would it not be better to understand instead that  jivatva (
> jivahood/notion of being a jiva ) is
> negated/destroyed at the time of selfrealization ?
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Vidyasankar Sundaresan via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> > sAshtAnga praNAms Sri Vidya prabhuji
>
> > Hare Krishna
>
> >
>
> > The base presumptions in this particular case relate to the eternality
> of creation
>
> >
>
> > >  prabhuji does not creation has been explained as 'pariNAmi nitya' in
> advaita??
>
> >
>
>
>
> That is just a term to distinguish it from the nityatva of Atman -
> brahman, after denying the reality of pariNAma in brahman.
>
> >
>
> > and the notion of realization as an event in time,
>
> >
>
> > > prabhuji,  if my memory serves me right in the context of samAdhi
> experience on a particular day, time etc. I think it has been argued that
> realization is an event in time for that particular jeeva.
>
> >
>
> > happening to particular jIva-s and not to other jIva-s.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> A samAdhi experience at a particular time and place happens to the mind
> that enters samAdhi at that particular time and place. This serves as a
> window/mirror for the jIva to cease the adhyAsa of anAtman on itself
> (Atman), or at least to loosen the bondage of this adhyAsa if not cease it
> altogether. Nothing really happens to the jIva. In reality, the question of
> "not to other jIva-s" does not arise.
>
>
> To say, even only as a matter of speech, that samAdhi happens to one
> jIvAtman and not to other jIvAtman-s, is itself an instance of adhyAsa of
> the manas/citta onto the jIva, whereas mano-buddhy-ahaMkAra-cittAni nAham.
>
>
> I will leave the rest unsaid.
>
> Best regards,Vidyasankar
>
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