[Advaita-l] Brief comparison of three great Acharyas....

[Srivathsa Rao]

Vishy sir,

                    I got what you are saying,But please go through the
book adi shankara by kota vasudeva karantha.
He clearly explain the points I have mentioned in a good manner.As I am a
warm blooded,my wordings went harsh...

Please sorry for that...

regards,
Srivathsa Rao I

On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:36 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Veda only says the significance of a teacher.It clearly says to respect
> your teacher.But ramanuja and madhva never respected their teacher and
> their guru's teaching...
>
> Sir,
>              Recently I went through the book by the name "Adi shankara"
> by kota vasudeva karantha.Where he briefly compares these three great
> acharyas. He shows how shankaracharya is superior to other ramanuja and
> madhva.He even says we can't even compare adi shankara to ramanuja and
> madhva, why because ,when we say acharya traya we say shankara,ramanuja and
> madhva thinking that  all of them as equal.this is wrong he says....
>
> He even explains there,how  ramanuja and madhva were  jealous of adi
> shankara,and his good name.
> So, they even try to copy shankara's concept ,trying to be more than
> shankara.That is why ramanuja tried to defame shankara by calling him
> prachanna bhudha.and madhva tried to defame shankara by calling him
> manimantha daithya.
> Even matha concept is first brought by shankara. Ramanuja and madhva just
> copied it ,to their philosophy.
>
> Kota vasudeva karantha gave much more explanation for this in his
> book.Recently I went through the book and I thought of putting some of the
> points of this book in this form .
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Sir,
>>       I accept one should give respect to the great Acharyas,
>> But the same rule applies to this Great acharyas also...Even they have to
>> give respect to their teachers.
>> Even sri krishna gave respect to his teacher Sandeepa muni. He din't
>> think that I am god,so no need to respect his guru,sandeepa muni.
>>
>> But coming to these three great achryas,
>> 1)Shankara,gave respect to his guru govindha bhagavath pada fully who was
>> a advaithi,he went from kalady of kerala to bank of river narmada,to take
>> sanyasa from govidha bhagavath pada.Shankara never thought some thing
>> different ,he just preached what his guru govidha bhagavath pada thought
>> him.He even said we are sampradaya vadis,we just follow our guru.So,there
>> is lineage of guru parampara of advaitha even before shankara.
>> He always respected his guru and his guru's teachings.So,we have to
>> respect this guru,adi shankara.
>>
>> 2) Ramanuja,was a student under a local teacher,yadava preksha.He even
>> thought his guru yadavapreksha is going to kill him,he never respected his
>> guru and his teachings who was a advaitha teacher.
>> What ever ramanuja thought is new philosophy ,he din't get this
>> philosophy ,vishistadvaitha  from his guru yadava preksha.So, there is no
>> lineage of guru parampara to vishistadvaita before ramanuja.
>>
>> 3) Madhvacharya was a student under a local teacher. He never respected
>> his guru achutha preksha and his teachings,who was a advaitha guru. What
>> ever madhva thought is a very new philosophy, which was not there in india
>> before.So,there is no lineage of guru parampara to dvaitha before madhva.
>>
>> Coming to madhva and ramanuja they never respected their guru and their
>> guru's teaching...So,
>> now the question is why we have to give respect to this Acharyas?
>> Because veda only says to respect teacher.But why we have to respect a
>> acharyas who din't respect their  guru?
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM, sreenivasa murthy <
>> narayana145 at yahoo.co.in> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Sri Srivathsa Rao,
>>>
>>>        Of What earthly use are these kind of postings ? Are they not
>>> sowing the seeds of hatred in the hearts of the readers? Why don't
>>> you  provide some useful and beneficial study materials to readers which
>>> will uplift them spiritually? Do you think you have studied the works of
>>> these Acharyas in depth so that you can pass judgement on them?
>>>
>>>       Kindly never forget that all the Acharyas were great bhaktas and
>>> they have given solace to lakhs of humanbeings. You please show respect to
>>> these great Acharyas.
>>>
>>> Kindly pardon me for having shared these thoughts.
>>>
>>> With respectful pranams
>>>  Sreenivasa Murthy
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
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>>> *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Brief comparison of three great Acharyas....
>>>
>>> I even heard that madhvacharya says ,we have to worship god (Vishnu),only
>>> though him (Madhvacharya) as mediator,otherwise...we won't get  result of
>>> worship just like "NEERALLI MADIDHA HOMA". He in his philosophy tries to
>>> make people afraid of god,and tell them if you follow my path you will
>>> get
>>> salvation other wise if you go for other's philosophy...you will go to
>>> andha tamas (Eternal hell).....
>>>
>>> He even says ONLY  his bhashya of prastana traya is PERFECT.All other
>>> acharya's  bhashyas of prastana traya are tamasa (Wrong).
>>>
>>> This type of mean mentality we can only seen in Christians and
>>> Muslims,which are non-indian religion.Except in madhva philosophy,we
>>> can't
>>> see such mean mentality in any other indian philosophy/philosopher.
>>>
>>> This is the uniqueness of madhvacharya or uniqueness of madhva sidhanta.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Now tell me who is real jagath guru....who  really saved sanathana
>>> vaidika
>>> > matha?
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:39 PM, V Subrahmanian <
>>> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Sri Rao,
>>> >>
>>> >> Pl. do not post such material on the list.  It might attract censure
>>> from
>>> >> the moderators.
>>> >>
>>> >> subbu
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
>>> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Sir,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Here what ever points I have mentioned are all facts,
>>> >>> Even today madhvas and vishistadvaithi's won't respect other gods
>>> much
>>> >>> especially shiva,they treat other gods as dummy gods...they treat
>>> vishnu
>>> >>> as
>>> >>> the only superior god.These are all because of their guru madhva and
>>> >>> ramanuja's mean meantality....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I got these informations  from a book "Jagath guru Adi shankara"...by
>>> >>> kota
>>> >>> vasudeva karantha.
>>> >>> In this book he briefly compares all three acharyas...the main
>>> points in
>>> >>> that book are mentioned by me in this email....
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Please tell your valuable comment...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> > Sir,
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Here I compare three Great Acharyas of Sanathana Hindu dharma ...
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Adi Shankarachaya :
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 1) His vision is full India :
>>> >>> > He got followers from all four corners of india that can be easily
>>> seen
>>> >>> > from his four amnaya peetham at four corners of india. He defeated
>>> in
>>> >>> > debate,not only asthikas in vada,but also nasthikas like jains and
>>> >>> > bhudhists.The most difficult thing, very cruial kapalikas also
>>> >>> accepted his
>>> >>> > vada.So,he can be called as Jagath guru.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2) He never said advaita accepted people are superior  to others.He
>>> >>> never
>>> >>> > said ,
>>> >>> > only advaita leads to salvation or if you follow other path ,it
>>> take
>>> >>> you
>>> >>> > to eternal hell.
>>> >>> > He just said we are sampradaya vadis.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 3)He never blamed other philosophy gurus or its followers.Even
>>> though
>>> >>> he
>>> >>> > objected bhudhist view ,he never blamed bhudha.Even very nasthika
>>> >>> charvaka
>>> >>> > was also not blamed by him,only his view point is objected by
>>> >>> shankara.That
>>> >>> > is followed even by his followers.Because of this nature of
>>> shankara,
>>> >>> no
>>> >>> > advaithi blame bhudha or charvaka.they just object their
>>> philosophy.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 4) Shankara never objected his guru govidha bagavath pada vada.He
>>> just
>>> >>> > followed his guru,which is requirement of a vedanthi.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 5) He took his mother's permission to become a sanyasi.He became
>>> >>> sanyasi
>>> >>> > because it is the symbol of sacrifice.And even he wanted to
>>> strengthen
>>> >>> > sanathna dharma,so he came sanyasi.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 6)his most of  followers were noble brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 7) he never said he is avathar of some one or he never said I am
>>> >>> superior
>>> >>> > to others .But his followers say him to be avathar of shiva.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 8) He said to treat all gods are equal,sever said some god is
>>> superior
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > other god.or pray some god and neglect some other god.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > this can be easily seen from his panchaitana pooja padhathi.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 9) Without shankaracharya sanathana vaidika dharma would have
>>> vanished
>>> >>> > from indian,by this time.Because of his effort sanathana dharma is
>>> >>> still
>>> >>> > there is india.
>>> >>> > So,all brahmins of all sects should respect him.He brought unity
>>> among
>>> >>> > brahmins by bringing them under single sidhanta.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 10) He united the brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Ramanujaacharya :
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 1) His view is mainly tamilnadu and little karnataka.Even in tamil
>>> nadu
>>> >>> > only few follow his philosophy .So,he cannot be called as jagath
>>> guru.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2)Even he never said his philosophy is superior to other
>>> philosophy or
>>> >>> > only following his philosophy will lead to salvation.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 3) He called shankara as prachanna bhudha,indirectly blaming
>>> >>> shankara,the
>>> >>> > preacher of advaitha philosophy.this is even followed by his
>>> >>> followers.That
>>> >>> > is why his followers don't respect shankara much.It is because of
>>> this
>>> >>> > ramanuja's nature his followers won't respect shankara.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 4) He went against this guru yadava preksha,and even thought he
>>> will
>>> >>> kill
>>> >>> > him.
>>> >>> > He even took sanyasa from no one which is against vedas which says
>>> one
>>> >>> has
>>> >>> > to take sanyasa from a guru.But ramanuja says he took sanyasa,but
>>> no
>>> >>> one
>>> >>> > guru  gave him sanyasa.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 5) he din't even asked his wife's permission to become sanyasi,and
>>> >>> became
>>> >>> > a sanyasi.He became sanyasi just to show it as a fashion .Otherwise
>>> >>> how can
>>> >>> > he says himself as sanysi and still no guru to him to give sanyasa.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 6) Most of his followers were vaishyas or baniyas and not
>>> brahmins.He
>>> >>> also
>>> >>> > spent lot of his life time with non-brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 7) I think he said he is avathar of adi shesha. or avathar of
>>> >>> lakshmana.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 8) He said worshiping vishnu is enough.No need to worship other
>>> gods.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 9) Even though ,Because of shankara ,sanathana dharma is still
>>> there in
>>> >>> > india.He never thanked shankara for his great job,he just blamed
>>> >>> shankara
>>> >>> > as prachanna bhudha.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 10)Because of Ramanuja there is no unity among brahmins in tamil
>>> >>> > nadu.Iyengars and Iyers always fight among each others.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 11) He divided the brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Madhvacharya :
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 1) His view is mainly karnataka, even in karnataka only few sects
>>> of
>>> >>> > brahmins follow his philosophy.So,he cannot be called as jagath
>>> guru.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 2) He said his philosophy is superior to other philosophy.He also
>>> said
>>> >>> > that only following his philosophy will lead to salvation.Following
>>> >>> other
>>> >>> > sects will lead to eternal hell.He also called the one who preach
>>> other
>>> >>> > philosophy is a devil.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 3) He called other philosophers as devil.He directly called
>>> >>> shankaracharya
>>> >>> > as manimantha daithya in his book mahabharatha thatparya nirnaya
>>> .He
>>> >>> says
>>> >>> > with jealous of bhima sena ( madhva's previous birth) ,manimantha
>>> >>> > (shankaracharya ) became shankaracharya  and thought wrong
>>> philosophy
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> > this world.Such a mean mentality madhva had.
>>> >>> > Because of this nature of madhva ,even to day madhva's never
>>> respect
>>> >>> > shankaracharya, even today  madhvas treat shankara as manimantha
>>> >>> > daithya.This  madhva's ideology is just followed by his followers.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 4) He went against his guru achutha preksha,even as a student. He
>>> never
>>> >>> > listened to his guru,while he was teaching.Which is not a required
>>> >>> behavior
>>> >>> > of a vedanthi.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 5) Even though his father objected him from becoming
>>> sanyasi,rejecting
>>> >>> his
>>> >>> > father's words ,he became sanyasi.He became sanyasi just because
>>> If he
>>> >>> > become sanyasi then only people will follow him.Other why He
>>> wanted to
>>> >>> take
>>> >>> > sanyasa from advaitha sanyasi, as all advaithis are
>>> devils?......why
>>> >>> > because he says he knows every thing from birth so,that he came to
>>> this
>>> >>> > world to preach dvaita....
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 6) His followers are mostly brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 7) He said he is avathar of vayu deva or he is avathar of
>>> hanumantha.He
>>> >>> > said he is superior to all jeevas. He even said that ,He is the
>>> most
>>> >>> > knowledgeable among all jeevas that no other jeevas have his equal
>>> or
>>> >>> > higher jgnana (knowledge) or shankthi (power).
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 8) He said to not to treat all gods are equal.If we treat all god
>>> are
>>> >>> > equal (Shiva and vishnus are equal)...we go to eternal hell.He
>>> said to
>>> >>> > treat vishnu as superior to all other gods.
>>> >>> > He said to worship all other gods just as  dammi gods ,just a
>>> >>> > representative of vishnu.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 9) Even though because of adi shankarachaya sanathana dharma is
>>> still
>>> >>> > there in india,He never thanked shankara for this work.But he
>>> blammed
>>> >>> > shankaracharya in bad words.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 10) Beacause of madhva,there is no unity among brahmins in
>>> karnataka.
>>> >>> > Madhvas and advaithis even fight today for their philosophy or for
>>> >>> their
>>> >>> > culture  and there is no unity among brahmins in karnataka .
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > 11) He divied brahmins.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
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