[Advaita-l] Brief comparison of three great Acharyas....

[Venkatraghavan S]

Sir,
You say you have great respect for Shankara Bhagavatpada because he
disproved other philosophies but did not disparage the philosophers
themselves. It wasn't  the men, it was their argument that was refuted.

Why do you not follow the steps of Sri Shankara and adopt the same
approach? Whether you respect Sri Ramanuja or Sri Madhva is your
prerogative, but saying that they disrespected Shankara or claiming they
disrespected their own guru, therefore it is ok to disrespect them is not
an acceptable argument.

It goes against what you claim as one of the very reasons you respect
Advaita for, and has no sanction in sanatana dharma tradition.

Regards,
Venkat
 On 4 Apr 2015 07:51, "Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Sir,
>       I accept one should give respect to the great Acharyas,
> But the same rule applies to this Great acharyas also...Even they have to
> give respect to their teachers.
> Even sri krishna gave respect to his teacher Sandeepa muni. He din't think
> that I am god,so no need to respect his guru,sandeepa muni.
>
> But coming to these three great achryas,
> 1)Shankara,gave respect to his guru govindha bhagavath pada fully who was a
> advaithi,he went from kalady of kerala to bank of river narmada,to take
> sanyasa from govidha bhagavath pada.Shankara never thought some thing
> different ,he just preached what his guru govidha bhagavath pada thought
> him.He even said we are sampradaya vadis,we just follow our guru.So,there
> is lineage of guru parampara of advaitha even before shankara.
> He always respected his guru and his guru's teachings.So,we have to respect
> this guru,adi shankara.
>
> 2) Ramanuja,was a student under a local teacher,yadava preksha.He even
> thought his guru yadavapreksha is going to kill him,he never respected his
> guru and his teachings who was a advaitha teacher.
> What ever ramanuja thought is new philosophy ,he din't get this philosophy
> ,vishistadvaitha  from his guru yadava preksha.So, there is no lineage of
> guru parampara to vishistadvaita before ramanuja.
>
> 3) Madhvacharya was a student under a local teacher. He never respected his
> guru achutha preksha and his teachings,who was a advaitha guru. What ever
> madhva thought is a very new philosophy, which was not there in india
> before.So,there is no lineage of guru parampara to dvaitha before madhva.
>
> Coming to madhva and ramanuja they never respected their guru and their
> guru's teaching...So,
> now the question is why we have to give respect to this Acharyas?
> Because veda only says to respect teacher.But why we have to respect a
> acharyas who din't respect their  guru?
>
> On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 10:44 AM, sreenivasa murthy <
> narayana145 at yahoo.co.in>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Sri Srivathsa Rao,
> >
> >        Of What earthly use are these kind of postings ? Are they not
> > sowing the seeds of hatred in the hearts of the readers? Why don't
> > you  provide some useful and beneficial study materials to readers which
> > will uplift them spiritually? Do you think you have studied the works of
> > these Acharyas in depth so that you can pass judgement on them?
> >
> >       Kindly never forget that all the Acharyas were great bhaktas and
> > they have given solace to lakhs of humanbeings. You please show respect
> to
> > these great Acharyas.
> >
> > Kindly pardon me for having shared these thoughts.
> >
> > With respectful pranams
> >  Sreenivasa Murthy
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> >  *From:* Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > *To:* A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> > *Sent:* Saturday, 4 April 2015 7:58 AM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Advaita-l] Brief comparison of three great Acharyas....
> >
> > I even heard that madhvacharya says ,we have to worship god (Vishnu),only
> > though him (Madhvacharya) as mediator,otherwise...we won't get  result of
> > worship just like "NEERALLI MADIDHA HOMA". He in his philosophy tries to
> > make people afraid of god,and tell them if you follow my path you will
> get
> > salvation other wise if you go for other's philosophy...you will go to
> > andha tamas (Eternal hell).....
> >
> > He even says ONLY  his bhashya of prastana traya is PERFECT.All other
> > acharya's  bhashyas of prastana traya are tamasa (Wrong).
> >
> > This type of mean mentality we can only seen in Christians and
> > Muslims,which are non-indian religion.Except in madhva philosophy,we
> can't
> > see such mean mentality in any other indian philosophy/philosopher.
> >
> > This is the uniqueness of madhvacharya or uniqueness of madhva sidhanta.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 4, 2015 at 12:25 AM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Now tell me who is real jagath guru....who  really saved sanathana
> > vaidika
> > > matha?
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:39 PM, V Subrahmanian <
> > v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Sri Rao,
> > >>
> > >> Pl. do not post such material on the list.  It might attract censure
> > from
> > >> the moderators.
> > >>
> > >> subbu
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:17 PM, Srivathsa Rao via Advaita-l <
> > >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Sir,
> > >>>
> > >>> Here what ever points I have mentioned are all facts,
> > >>> Even today madhvas and vishistadvaithi's won't respect other gods
> much
> > >>> especially shiva,they treat other gods as dummy gods...they treat
> > vishnu
> > >>> as
> > >>> the only superior god.These are all because of their guru madhva and
> > >>> ramanuja's mean meantality....
> > >>>
> > >>> I got these informations  from a book "Jagath guru Adi shankara"...by
> > >>> kota
> > >>> vasudeva karantha.
> > >>> In this book he briefly compares all three acharyas...the main points
> > in
> > >>> that book are mentioned by me in this email....
> > >>>
> > >>> Please tell your valuable comment...
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 10:00 PM, Srivathsa Rao <vathsa108 at gmail.com>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> > Sir,
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Here I compare three Great Acharyas of Sanathana Hindu dharma ...
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Adi Shankarachaya :
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 1) His vision is full India :
> > >>> > He got followers from all four corners of india that can be easily
> > seen
> > >>> > from his four amnaya peetham at four corners of india. He defeated
> in
> > >>> > debate,not only asthikas in vada,but also nasthikas like jains and
> > >>> > bhudhists.The most difficult thing, very cruial kapalikas also
> > >>> accepted his
> > >>> > vada.So,he can be called as Jagath guru.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2) He never said advaita accepted people are superior  to others.He
> > >>> never
> > >>> > said ,
> > >>> > only advaita leads to salvation or if you follow other path ,it
> take
> > >>> you
> > >>> > to eternal hell.
> > >>> > He just said we are sampradaya vadis.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 3)He never blamed other philosophy gurus or its followers.Even
> though
> > >>> he
> > >>> > objected bhudhist view ,he never blamed bhudha.Even very nasthika
> > >>> charvaka
> > >>> > was also not blamed by him,only his view point is objected by
> > >>> shankara.That
> > >>> > is followed even by his followers.Because of this nature of
> shankara,
> > >>> no
> > >>> > advaithi blame bhudha or charvaka.they just object their
> philosophy.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 4) Shankara never objected his guru govidha bagavath pada vada.He
> > just
> > >>> > followed his guru,which is requirement of a vedanthi.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 5) He took his mother's permission to become a sanyasi.He became
> > >>> sanyasi
> > >>> > because it is the symbol of sacrifice.And even he wanted to
> > strengthen
> > >>> > sanathna dharma,so he came sanyasi.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 6)his most of  followers were noble brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 7) he never said he is avathar of some one or he never said I am
> > >>> superior
> > >>> > to others .But his followers say him to be avathar of shiva.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 8) He said to treat all gods are equal,sever said some god is
> > superior
> > >>> to
> > >>> > other god.or pray some god and neglect some other god.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > this can be easily seen from his panchaitana pooja padhathi.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 9) Without shankaracharya sanathana vaidika dharma would have
> > vanished
> > >>> > from indian,by this time.Because of his effort sanathana dharma is
> > >>> still
> > >>> > there is india.
> > >>> > So,all brahmins of all sects should respect him.He brought unity
> > among
> > >>> > brahmins by bringing them under single sidhanta.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 10) He united the brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Ramanujaacharya :
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 1) His view is mainly tamilnadu and little karnataka.Even in tamil
> > nadu
> > >>> > only few follow his philosophy .So,he cannot be called as jagath
> > guru.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2)Even he never said his philosophy is superior to other philosophy
> > or
> > >>> > only following his philosophy will lead to salvation.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 3) He called shankara as prachanna bhudha,indirectly blaming
> > >>> shankara,the
> > >>> > preacher of advaitha philosophy.this is even followed by his
> > >>> followers.That
> > >>> > is why his followers don't respect shankara much.It is because of
> > this
> > >>> > ramanuja's nature his followers won't respect shankara.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 4) He went against this guru yadava preksha,and even thought he
> will
> > >>> kill
> > >>> > him.
> > >>> > He even took sanyasa from no one which is against vedas which says
> > one
> > >>> has
> > >>> > to take sanyasa from a guru.But ramanuja says he took sanyasa,but
> no
> > >>> one
> > >>> > guru  gave him sanyasa.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 5) he din't even asked his wife's permission to become sanyasi,and
> > >>> became
> > >>> > a sanyasi.He became sanyasi just to show it as a fashion .Otherwise
> > >>> how can
> > >>> > he says himself as sanysi and still no guru to him to give sanyasa.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 6) Most of his followers were vaishyas or baniyas and not
> brahmins.He
> > >>> also
> > >>> > spent lot of his life time with non-brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 7) I think he said he is avathar of adi shesha. or avathar of
> > >>> lakshmana.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 8) He said worshiping vishnu is enough.No need to worship other
> gods.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 9) Even though ,Because of shankara ,sanathana dharma is still
> there
> > in
> > >>> > india.He never thanked shankara for his great job,he just blamed
> > >>> shankara
> > >>> > as prachanna bhudha.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 10)Because of Ramanuja there is no unity among brahmins in tamil
> > >>> > nadu.Iyengars and Iyers always fight among each others.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 11) He divided the brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Madhvacharya :
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 1) His view is mainly karnataka, even in karnataka only few sects
> of
> > >>> > brahmins follow his philosophy.So,he cannot be called as jagath
> guru.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 2) He said his philosophy is superior to other philosophy.He also
> > said
> > >>> > that only following his philosophy will lead to salvation.Following
> > >>> other
> > >>> > sects will lead to eternal hell.He also called the one who preach
> > other
> > >>> > philosophy is a devil.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 3) He called other philosophers as devil.He directly called
> > >>> shankaracharya
> > >>> > as manimantha daithya in his book mahabharatha thatparya nirnaya
> .He
> > >>> says
> > >>> > with jealous of bhima sena ( madhva's previous birth) ,manimantha
> > >>> > (shankaracharya ) became shankaracharya  and thought wrong
> philosophy
> > >>> to
> > >>> > this world.Such a mean mentality madhva had.
> > >>> > Because of this nature of madhva ,even to day madhva's never
> respect
> > >>> > shankaracharya, even today  madhvas treat shankara as manimantha
> > >>> > daithya.This  madhva's ideology is just followed by his followers.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 4) He went against his guru achutha preksha,even as a student. He
> > never
> > >>> > listened to his guru,while he was teaching.Which is not a required
> > >>> behavior
> > >>> > of a vedanthi.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 5) Even though his father objected him from becoming
> > sanyasi,rejecting
> > >>> his
> > >>> > father's words ,he became sanyasi.He became sanyasi just because If
> > he
> > >>> > become sanyasi then only people will follow him.Other why He wanted
> > to
> > >>> take
> > >>> > sanyasa from advaitha sanyasi, as all advaithis are
> devils?......why
> > >>> > because he says he knows every thing from birth so,that he came to
> > this
> > >>> > world to preach dvaita....
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 6) His followers are mostly brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 7) He said he is avathar of vayu deva or he is avathar of
> > hanumantha.He
> > >>> > said he is superior to all jeevas. He even said that ,He is the
> most
> > >>> > knowledgeable among all jeevas that no other jeevas have his equal
> or
> > >>> > higher jgnana (knowledge) or shankthi (power).
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 8) He said to not to treat all gods are equal.If we treat all god
> are
> > >>> > equal (Shiva and vishnus are equal)...we go to eternal hell.He said
> > to
> > >>> > treat vishnu as superior to all other gods.
> > >>> > He said to worship all other gods just as  dammi gods ,just a
> > >>> > representative of vishnu.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 9) Even though because of adi shankarachaya sanathana dharma is
> still
> > >>> > there in india,He never thanked shankara for this work.But he
> blammed
> > >>> > shankaracharya in bad words.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 10) Beacause of madhva,there is no unity among brahmins in
> karnataka.
> > >>> > Madhvas and advaithis even fight today for their philosophy or for
> > >>> their
> > >>> > culture  and there is no unity among brahmins in karnataka .
> > >>> >
> > >>> > 11) He divied brahmins.
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
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