[Advaita-l] Today Bhagavan Ramanuja Jayanti too
H S Chandramouli
hschandramouli at gmail.com
Sat Apr 25 01:32:39 CDT 2015
Sri Sadanandaji,
Namaskarams.
Regarding your observation
<< Ramanuja has focused the issues for us to contemplate - that does not
mean that one has to accept either Ramanuja's position or even Shankara's
position, either vivarana's position or Bhamati's position, unless it is
shruti, yukti and anubhava based. >>
There are no two opinions amongst us Astikas that what we accept should be
shruti, yukti and anubhava based. However over the past several centuries
it has been given to a handful of persons with extraordinary vision like
the Great Acharyas Sri Bhagavatpada, Sri Ramanujacharya, Sri Madhvacharya
etc to interpret and elaborate upon the shruti/yukti/anubhava aspects in a
way which is understandable to us which would otherwise have been
ununderstandable to practically the entire humanity. It is therefore futile
to exhort any of us to not just accept the position taken by one or the
other of such great Acharyas but reason it out on our own. At the stage
practically all of us are , It is absolutely necessary that we accept one
of them as our Guru and try and understand and follow His teachings. There
is no point in trying to sit in judgement on all of them and try to
understand in our own independent way. This is not to say we should forfeit
our right to thinking. It is to say that we should utilize all our thinking
capabilities in trying to understand their exposition.
Just my 2 cents view.
Regards
On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 4:07 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Shree Venkatesh Murthyji -
>
> As I understand - The vivarana school itself differs from Bhamati in this
> regard. Within Advaita tradition there is difference of opinion in terms of
> Locus of Avidya.
>
> Sureswara says in Naishkarmya siddhi that it is Brahman is locus of
> avidya.
>
> Now about Shankara bhagavat paada's position. Please study his bhashyam on
> the 13th ch - kshetrajnam ca api maa viddhi .. sloka where he argues that
> it is not even jiiva that is locus of avidya - it is only anthaH karana
> that is locus. Few months back I wrote an series of articles on this and
> posted to the list, if one is interested.
>
> It is not that Ramanuja did not study advaitic position, there are varying
> positions in the advaita itself. It does not mean Ramanuja's criticism of
> avidya of Advaita is correct. I have discussed this elaborately in my
> Advanced Vedanta talks series which can be accessed at say,
> <
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76XQXj_n-G8&index=147&list=PLWjpkY4mU2RAlFcTU_5G2a1trhbcZUedZ
> >
>
> Ramanuja has focused the issues for us to contemplate - that does not mean
> that one has to accept either Ramanuja's position or even Shankara's
> position, either vivarana's position or Bhamati's position, unless it is
> shruti, yukti and anubhava based.
>
> Hope I am clear.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
>
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> On Fri, 4/24/15, Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Today Bhagavan Ramanuja Jayanti too
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Friday, April 24, 2015, 12:53 AM
>
> Namaste
>
> In the Sri Bhashya Maha
> Siddhanta portion on Ashraya of Avidya -
>
> सा हि
> किमाश्रित्य भ्रमं
> जनयति ? न तावत्
> जीवमाश्रित्य
> अविद्यापरिकल्पितत्वात्
> जीवभावस्य ।
>
> Here Ramanuja is saying Jeeva cannot be the
> Ashraya for Avidyaa
> because Jeeva is
> imagined by Avidyaa only. How can Avidyaa have a base
> in him? Jeeva is imagined by Avidyaa and
> Jeeva has that Avidyaa.
> There is Anyonya
> Ashraya Dosha.
>
> Mandana
> Mishra in Brahma Sidhhi has cleared Ramanuja's doubt.
> यत्तु
> कस्याविद्येति ?
> जीवानामिति ब्रूमः । He has
> given good explanation why
> Jeeva is
> Avidya's Ashraya. There is no Anyonya Ashraya Dosha at
> all.
> Adi Sankara also cleared this same
> doubt in Prasthana Traya Bhashya.
>
> Mandana Mishra and Adi Sankara both were
> earlier than Ramanuja.
>
> Question is - Why Ramanuja was not familiar
> with Brahma Siddhi ? He
> should have checked
> all Purva Paksha Granthas before expressing
> doubts.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 8:48 PM, kuntimaddi
> sadananda via Advaita-l
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> wrote:
> > PraNAms to all
> >
> > Today is Bhagavan
> Ramanuja Jayanti too.
> >
> > His Shree Bhashya on Bri Sutra has been
> considered a brilliant analysis where he considers Advaita
> doctrine in terms laghu and mahaa purvapaksha before his
> siddhanta.
> >
> > The
> emphasis on the Sharanaagati as means of moksha forms the
> basis of the Vishishtadvaita darshana which was later
> expanded by Shree Vedanta Deshika.
> >
> > Hari Om!
> > Sadananda
> >
> >
> >
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