[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** RE: Re: Weather Vedas are considered as false in ultimate reality?

[Ravi Kiran]

namaste Sri Bhaskar prabhuji

On Wed, Aug 5, 2015 at 1:48 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com> wrote:

> praNAms Sri Ravi Kiran prabhuji
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> Hare Krishna
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> All questions and explanations are only for the upAdhi-sahita jIva in
> jAgrat to have nirupAdhita Brahma jnAna
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> Ø   I think the poser of the question is waking jeeva who is
> upAdhi-sahita and asking this question in waking state and needs an answer
> with regard to his own state sushupti.  Hence answer needs to be formed
> accordingly from the jAgrad avastha.
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> ok


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> In the presence of jnAna svarUpa (prajnAna ghaNa), what need is there for
> any jnAna or ajnAna ?
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> Ø   To realize that we are not even prajnAna Ghana, na antaH prajnA, na
> bahirprajnA and we are shivaM, shantaM & advaitam. This jnAna is required
> for the jeeva who is associating himself with avasthA and asking these
> question.  As you know, nobody would ask these questions in sushupti J
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Yes, precisely, when there is no body (upAdhi) to experience in sushupti,
how can one experience ajnAna in sushupti  :-) ? If ajnAna cannot be
established by experience in sushupti, why deprive the perfect  brahmee
sthithi drstAnta of sushupti, in jAgrat for manana?

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> when we exist as the sva-svarUpa, why need for jnAna in sushupti?
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> All jnAna is required in jAgrat where ajnAna is experienced ..
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> Ø   Yes, prabhuji, you answered your own question above.  jnAna is
> required for the one who is in ajnAna / avidyA.
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> If you experience ajnAna clearly/candidly in deep sleep and you can
> describe it, you are surely not in sushupti, you may be in dream or some
> mano-avastha :)
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> Ø     In advaita to give more clarity on tureeya the prAjnA has been
> highlighted and hence shankara to make it clear somewhere says : in
> sushupti jeeva becomes merged (laya) ‘as it were’ (praleena iva) in his
> Atman, for this the reason is the absence of upAdhi-s  in this state unlike
> the other two states.  By the way jnAnAbhAva what is supposedly  there in
> sushupti is not bhAvarUpa to say it really exists in sushupti as a material
> cause for adhyAsa in other two states.  jnAnAbhAva would not a hindrance
> for the jeeva to attain his sva-svarUpa in sushupti.
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Yes, understand that Mandukya prakriya is different from rest of the
bhAshya (Chandogya, Brihadaranyaka, Prasna etc). The purport is not lost,
if we look at the sushupti experience for manana and not limit it to an
ajnAna avastha...

> All such necessity for cognition of BrahmasvarUpa arises in jAgrat and
> hence the importance of sushupti drstAnta for manana in jAgrat, to those
> who so wishes to make use of it, to de-invest/de-identify the reality given
> to jAgrat :)
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> Ø   Yes prabhuji, you said it right prabhuji. It is from the jAgrat
> avasthA we are analyzing the other two states, since in jAgrat avastha the
> vishva is associated himself with limited adjuncts (upAdhi-s) he has to
> realize his svarUpa which is available in sushupti
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Yes, as that which is available in sushupti is present verily in jAgrat and
svapna  and realizing that sushupti in jAgrat through ....

> through shama damAdhi susamskruta mana ( the available tool ) with the
> help of shAstra and AcharyOpadesha.
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> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
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> bhaskar
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pranAms