[Advaita-l] 'न सत्तन्नासदुच्यते' Gita 13.12

[D.V.N.Sarma డి.వి.ఎన్.శర్మ]

The breakup of the statement is

न सत् तत् न असत् उच्यते

प्रथमं न सतः, द्वितीयं न असतः इति मे मतिः
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2015-12-16 10:07 GMT+05:30 Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <
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> Hari Om,
> Namaste.
>
>
> Gita 13.12
> 'न सत्तन्नासदुच्यते'
>
> Question is whether
> a. 'न' goes with सत् and असत्
> or
> b. 'न' goes with 'तत् उच्यते'.
>
> That is
> a. तत् उच्यते - 'न सत् न असत्'
> or
> b. 'न सत् इति उच्यते and न असत् इति उच्यते'.
>
> In other words,
> a. It is said that Brahma neither exists nor doesnot exit.
> or
> b. It cannot be said whether Brahma is in the form of existence or
> non-existence.
>
> Regards
> -- durga prasad
>
>
>
>
> 2015-12-14 21:59 GMT-08:00 V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>:
>
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 4:31 AM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Sri Siva SenAni,
> > > Namaste.
> > >
> > > Thank you very much for the sterling work in sharing research with us.
> > You
> > > had translated from Dravyasamuddesa as follows:
> > >
> > > "न तदस्ति न तन्नास्ति न तदेकं न तत्पृथक्।
> > >
> > > न संसृष्टं विभक्तं वा विकृतं न च नान्यथा ॥१२॥
> > >
> > > It (Brahman)neither exists, nor does it not exist; It is neither One,
> nor
> > > is it different;It is neither co-mingled, nor in a separated state;
> > neither
> > > is it modified, nor is it other than modified."
> > >
> > > The description of Brahman as neither existing nor non existing, (सदसद्
> > > विलक्शणम्?) appears to use terminology employed to describe
> avidyA/mAyA.
> > In
> > > what sense is this meant?
> > >
> >
> >
> > One can read the BG 13.12 bhāṣya:
> >
> > ज्ञेयं यत्तत्प्रवक्ष्यामि यज्ज्ञात्वामृतमश्नुते ।
> > अनादिमत्परं ब्रह्म न सत्तन्नासदुच्यते ॥ १२ ॥
> >
> > ननु सर्वाः बुद्धयः अस्तिनास्तिबुद्ध्यनुगताः एव । तत्र एवं सति ज्ञेयमपि
> > अस्तिबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययविषयं वा स्यात्, नास्तिबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययविषयं वा
> > स्यात् । न, अतीन्द्रियत्वेन उभयबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययाविषयत्वात् । यद्धि
> > इन्द्रियगम्यं वस्तु घटादिकम्, तत् अस्तिबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययविषयं वा स्यात्,
> > नास्तिबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययविषयं वा स्यात् । इदं तु ज्ञेयम् अतीन्द्रियत्वेन
> > शब्दैकप्रमाणगम्यत्वात् न घटादिवत् उभयबुद्ध्यनुगतप्रत्ययविषयम् इत्यतः ‘न
> > सत्तन्नासत्’ इति उच्यते ॥
> >
> > To put in simple terms: A pot, when encountered, is said to 'be': अस्ति
> घटः
> > । When the pot is destroyed, we say: नास्ति घटः ।  Brahman, not being
> > something that comes into existence and goes out of existence like a pot,
> > is beyond the conceptions of asti and nāsti.  That is what is taught by
> the
> > BG 13.12 expression: न सत्तन्नासदुच्यते |
> >
> > regards
> > vs
> >
> > As an aside what ख्यातिवाद does व्याकरण use?
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Venkatraghavan
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