[Advaita-l] Please Learned Scholars answer these doubts about Advaitha Sidhanta..

[kuntimaddi sadananda]

Shree Harsha Bhat - PraNAms


Here is my understanding.

Gunas belong to finite objects. The creation itself is defined in terms of naama and ruupa where ruupa stands of attributes. The substantive of the creation is Brahman only as the scriptures define - bahushyaam, prajaayeyeti and yatova imani bhuttani ... etc

Any description therefore is only indicatory defitions to uplift the mind of the seeker to the truth that is imperceptible yet that is positively existing and knowable not as object but as the very subject  which cannot be objectified - hence term aparoxa anubhuti. 

Sat negates non-existence or suunyam, chit negates the inertness since Brahman is defined as pure consciousness and ananda negates the limitations since limitless alone is happiness. 

These are indicatory since Brahman cannnot be defined as the scripture itself says so -yato vaacho nivartante apraapya manasaa saha; na vaak gachchati na manaH.. etc. 

nitya negates all changing entities. Only infinite-ness alone can be changeless. shanta is no perturbations, etc.

In the positive note  - Madukya mantra 7 defines after negations - naantaH prajnam ... shantam, shivam, adviatam. chaturtam manyante sa aatma sa vijneyaH. Shivam here is auspiciousness as mangalanaacha mangalam since  its presence the very life in the subtle body pulsates.  

In the Advaita Makaranda Lakshidhara (forgot the sloka) says - sat is not an attribute -The logic is, if sat is an attribute then it should be locussed in an object, since attribute must have a locus and the locus must be different form the attribute as in blue lotus where blueness is different from lotusness. The only thing different from sat is asat. Therefore it implies that sat is attribute of asat, which is self contradictory.. Hence sat cannot be an attribute.  The fact is scripture says sat eva idam agra aseet - existence alone was there before creation and it is ekam, eva, adviteeyam - one without a second. Shankara defines this as sajaati, vijaati swagata bheda rahitam. 

Hope this helps
Hari Om!
Sadananda


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On Fri, 7/3/15, Harsha Bhat <harsha9519 at gmail.com> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please Learned Scholars answer these doubts about Advaitha Sidhanta..
 To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 Date: Friday, July 3, 2015, 9:29 AM
 
 Sadananda
 Sir,                                 
    You saidAll the terms you have
 stated are only negation of all objects that can be
 definable. They describe the indescribable using pointers
 (lakshyaartha) for a seeker who has tuned his
 mind.
 
 How sat-chit-ananda is
 negation of Gunas......
 It says Directly as
 ananda is Brahman's attribute
 Right???
 Similarly nithya
 trupta and Shanta....how they support neti-nethi..they say
 asthi -asthi..righ?t as these as
 attribute??
 How the subject
 shanta,nithya trupta and sat-chit -ananda are
 avarchaneeya???
 When we say
 sat-chit-ananda ...as brahman...how can we call avarchaneeya
 Vasthu as sat-chit -ananda??
 regards,Harsha
 Bhat
 On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 7:03
 PM, Harsha Bhat <harsha9519 at gmail.com>
 wrote:
 Thank you sir...
 For  you for your  wonderful
 explanation....
 Regards,Harsha
 Bhat
 On Sat, Jun 27, 2015 at
 3:41 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>
 wrote:
 Harsha
 Bhatji - PraNAms
 
 
 
 Your emails further proves that Vedanta has to be studies
 systematically under a competent teacher . A competent
 teacher is one who himself studied Vedanta under another
 competent teachers.
 
 
 
 Just for short. Brahman means infinite-ness - anantam. Guna
 or attributes define an object and differentiate one object
 from the other. Hence Guna's belong to finite object.
 Infinite cannot be an object hence it is undefinable - hence
 nirguna.
 
 
 
 Infinite itself is not an attribute of infinite - all it
 means is it negates all finite and therefore attributable
 objects as not Brahman. All the terms you have stated are
 only negation of all objects that can be definable. They
 describe the indescribable using pointers (lakshyaartha) for
 a seeker who has tuned his mind.
 
 
 
 Brahman itself is indefinable as stated by the scriptures -
 na vaak gachchati, na manaH.
 
 
 
 Similarly the subject I, cannot be defined. Only definition
 that one can provide is the subject is that which cannot be
 objectified. It is a negative definition, negating whatever
 can be objectified cannot be the subject - neti neti says
 scripture.
 
 
 
 Hari Om!
 
 Sadananda
 
 
 
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 On Sat, 6/27/15, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
 wrote:
 
 
 
  Subject: [Advaita-l] Please Learned Scholars answer these
 doubts about Advaitha Sidhanta..
 
  To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org
 
  Date: Saturday, June 27, 2015, 5:02 AM
 
 
 
  Sir,
 
                 
 
            In advaitha Brahman is
 
  Termed as Nirguna....the
 
  same brahman is called as
 Nishkala,Nirvikaara,Shanta,Nithya
 
  Truptha,sat-chit-ananda....etc...
 
 
 
  Here
 
  Nishkala meas indivisible,,,,
 
 
 
  Nirvikaara meas never changing...
 
 
 
  Nithya Truptha...means Self Satisfied..
 
 
 
  Shantha,,,,Cool...
 
 
 
  Nishkriya...without any activity...
 
 
 
  Sat-chit-ananada....Every Happy....
 
 
 
 
 
  These are not Brahman's attribute???
 
 
 
  If these are brahman's attribute definitely brahman is
 not
 
  brahman is
 
  nirguna...
 
 
 
  And even we cannot say brahman as avarchaneeya...because
 we
 
  can call
 
  brahman by
 nirvikaara,shantha...sat-chit-ananda...etc...
 
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