[Advaita-l] Shankara's view on Guru without having Shatra study

[murali hr]

Some time God himself might appear as guru
Ramana Maharshi realized the self with the grace of arunachala.

regards
murali

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Vivek,
>                                               What shankara said is  100%
> true.You may see all modern days acharyas are without Proper guru parampara
> except adi shankara,whos guru was Govinda bhagavad pada..who was a advaitha
> Guru.
>
> 1)When coming to bhudha who don' t have a Guru or asthika (Veda believing).
> Guru...
>
> 2)Coming to ramanuja who don't have Shrothi guru.....
>
> 3)Madhva may have a shrothi guru (Acchutha preksha)...but he din't study
> under this guru...just for sake of taking sanyasa(So that all follow him,as
> sanyasi have respect in socity)...he approached achutha preksha...
>
> 4)Mahavira don't have shrothi guru...
>
> And all other modern days vaishnava gurus like nimbaka,vallbha,chaithanya
> prabhu don't have proper shrothi guru parampara...
>
> It can be easily seen from ISKON's guru parampara list that ...It is all
> FAKE...It is not in order and also here and there they take madhva saints
> and when asked about that they say it is INVISIBLE LINEAGE OF GURU
> PARAMPARA...,when asked with madhvas about that, they say we don't know
> about iskon's guruparampara......
>
> As except Shankara all other Acharyas don't have proper  Shrothi,guru
> parampara...It is not worth to follow them...
>
> And all other guruparamparas have come from bhudhi of the respective
> acharyas ,where they are trying to explain avarchaneeya brahman with their
> Bhudhi which is almost impossible...
>
> That is why all other modern days (Kaliyuga)...dharmas except advaitha are
> not worth studying and It can be easily seen from the respective modern
> days acharyas work that they are childish....
>
> regards
> Harsha Bhat
>
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Kathirasan K via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste Vivek,
> >
> > As implied by others too, the strictness in which the qualifications of a
> > Guru as stated by Shankara could be better appreciated by seeing the role
> > of the Guru as being a 1. transmitter of wisdom and not just 2. being a
> > mukta.
> >
> > *Kathirasan K*
> >
> >
> > On 11 July 2015 at 22:34, Vivek via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks for the explanation Venkatraghavan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Sri Vivek,
> > > > Shankara BhagavatpAda is not being strict - he is merely being in
> line
> > > with shruti which says a guru should be "shrotriyam brahmanishTham".
> > > >
> > > > It's not sufficient if guru is just brahmanishTham, he would need to
> be
> > > a shrotriya too - because shruti says that it is ultimately shravaNa,
> > > manana, nidhidhyAsana of shAstram alone that leads to mokshA. The guru
> > > therefore would need to be a shastra and sampradAya-vit himself to
> teach
> > > students the shAstram.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Venkatraghavan
> > > >
> > > >> On 11 Jul 2015 14:31, "Vivek via Advaita-l" <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > >> Dear Anil. I agree but there have always been exceptions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Just trying to understand why Shankara's view has been so strict on
> > > that.
> > > >>
> > > >> Vivek.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Anil Aggarwal <aaggarwal at wi.rr.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > For us mortals Samprdya is very important
> > > >> > Anil
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:45 AM, Vivek via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Hari Om,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Dear ones. I'd like to get an insight into something
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> It seems that Adi Shankaracharya promoted only the idea of
> someone
> > > being a Guru that has learned the Shastras.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> But there have been and are Mahatmas that are in the highest
> state
> > > and in that state have full knowledge of all the Shastras even though
> > they
> > > have not studied them.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> That category seems to be on the bottom of the Guru list
> according
> > > to Shankara.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Some views don't agree with this.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Could someone expand their thoughts on this?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Vivek.
> > > >> >>
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