[Advaita-l] Shankara's view on Guru without having Shatra study

[Harsha Bhat]

Namaste Vivek,
                                              What shankara said is  100%
true.You may see all modern days acharyas are without Proper guru parampara
except adi shankara,whos guru was Govinda bhagavad pada..who was a advaitha
Guru.

1)When coming to bhudha who don' t have a Guru or asthika (Veda believing).
Guru...

2)Coming to ramanuja who don't have Shrothi guru.....

3)Madhva may have a shrothi guru (Acchutha preksha)...but he din't study
under this guru...just for sake of taking sanyasa(So that all follow him,as
sanyasi have respect in socity)...he approached achutha preksha...

4)Mahavira don't have shrothi guru...

And all other modern days vaishnava gurus like nimbaka,vallbha,chaithanya
prabhu don't have proper shrothi guru parampara...

It can be easily seen from ISKON's guru parampara list that ...It is all
FAKE...It is not in order and also here and there they take madhva saints
and when asked about that they say it is INVISIBLE LINEAGE OF GURU
PARAMPARA...,when asked with madhvas about that, they say we don't know
about iskon's guruparampara......

As except Shankara all other Acharyas don't have proper  Shrothi,guru
parampara...It is not worth to follow them...

And all other guruparamparas have come from bhudhi of the respective
acharyas ,where they are trying to explain avarchaneeya brahman with their
Bhudhi which is almost impossible...

That is why all other modern days (Kaliyuga)...dharmas except advaitha are
not worth studying and It can be easily seen from the respective modern
days acharyas work that they are childish....

regards
Harsha Bhat

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM, Kathirasan K via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Vivek,
>
> As implied by others too, the strictness in which the qualifications of a
> Guru as stated by Shankara could be better appreciated by seeing the role
> of the Guru as being a 1. transmitter of wisdom and not just 2. being a
> mukta.
>
> *Kathirasan K*
>
>
> On 11 July 2015 at 22:34, Vivek via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the explanation Venkatraghavan
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 11, 2015, at 7:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Sri Vivek,
> > > Shankara BhagavatpAda is not being strict - he is merely being in line
> > with shruti which says a guru should be "shrotriyam brahmanishTham".
> > >
> > > It's not sufficient if guru is just brahmanishTham, he would need to be
> > a shrotriya too - because shruti says that it is ultimately shravaNa,
> > manana, nidhidhyAsana of shAstram alone that leads to mokshA. The guru
> > therefore would need to be a shastra and sampradAya-vit himself to teach
> > students the shAstram.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Venkatraghavan
> > >
> > >> On 11 Jul 2015 14:31, "Vivek via Advaita-l" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >> Dear Anil. I agree but there have always been exceptions.
> > >>
> > >> Just trying to understand why Shankara's view has been so strict on
> > that.
> > >>
> > >> Vivek.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Jul 11, 2015, at 6:51 PM, Anil Aggarwal <aaggarwal at wi.rr.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > For us mortals Samprdya is very important
> > >> > Anil
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Sent from my iPhone
> > >> >
> > >> >> On Jul 11, 2015, at 5:45 AM, Vivek via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Hari Om,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Dear ones. I'd like to get an insight into something
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It seems that Adi Shankaracharya promoted only the idea of someone
> > being a Guru that has learned the Shastras.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> But there have been and are Mahatmas that are in the highest state
> > and in that state have full knowledge of all the Shastras even though
> they
> > have not studied them.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> That category seems to be on the bottom of the Guru list according
> > to Shankara.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Some views don't agree with this.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Could someone expand their thoughts on this?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Vivek.
> > >> >>
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