[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Question about Dvijatvam..... basis for Varnaashrama fixing the Varna to which one belongs to...

[Keshava PRASAD Halemane]

namastE. praNaams to all learned-seniors. 
Here is a continuation of my earlier response/clarification to the question raised by Sri SimhaHNLN : 
I like to emphasize here that the second statement in my signature-line, to which the question seems to have a reference, doesn't in any way deal with any of the four vaRnas as such, and therefore the question itself is somewhat misplaced!  Please be kind enough to read/re-read my explanation that is available at the URL hyperlink indicated by that signature-line. 
In any case, i like to confess that i don't claim to be competent enough to address all the possibly related questions that may arise in one's mind who reads those statements. 
praNaams.  
 - Keshava PRASAD Halemane  mOkShakaamaarthadharmah  janmanaa jaayatE jantuḥ |  samskaaraat hi bhavEt dvijaḥ ||  vEda-paaThaat bhavEt vipra |  brahma jnaanaat hi braahmaNah ||  


     On Tuesday, 14 July 2015 5:01 PM, "SimhaHNLN simhahnln at yahoo.com [advaitin]" <advaitin at yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

Question humbly submitted to Sri.KPH  [refering to your Signature at the end of every message]. Please clarify.//If one has to perform [or NOT perform] Upanayana [Brahmopadesa] to a boy reached of age [garbhaashtamey/ or Dwaadashey / shOdashey] then how would one decide the folowing:1. how does one categorize the boy into "rigvedi/yajurvedi/samavedi.....etc...." ...how is SHAAKHA determined before Brahmopadesa?2. does one perform Brahmopadesa as per a specific Varna or NOT? What "age" is the correct age for Upanayanam?  Which Varna does the boy waiting for Brahmopadesa samskaara belong to? [[[garbhaashtamey/ or Dwaadashey / shOdashey / or paryudhastva]]]3. How does the Guru decide  the Pravara of the boy waiting to be initiated?  e.g.:  "vaishwaamitaaghamarshaNakouShikatrayaarshEyapravarAnvita KoushikasaGotrah, Apastamba-SUtrah, Yajushshaakhaadhyaayee shree naarayanasharmaaham bhOabhivaadayey.......etc" a brief quick clarification would be appropriate.DhanyavaadaahSimha HNLN========>> fwd msg >>> ========== 

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