[Advaita-l] Fwd: Unreality of the world and samsaara..

[Santosh Rao]

Thank you all.

I recently obtained a book titled "The essential Adi Sankara " by one D.B.
Gangoli which further illuminated these issues.

Thx once again!

- Santosh
On Jun 23, 2015 9:44 AM, "H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Unreality of the world and samsaara..
> To: Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
>
>
> Dear Sri Venkat Raghavan,
>
> There is no " mystical " element. But " intuitive " , yes. Meaning of "
> intuitive " meant is " aparoksha " only. Just as we say understanding of
> the word " I " is intuitive. Not through any pramana , whether pratyaksha
> or inference or shabda. Mere understanding/ knowledge ( paroksha ) is
> definitely not sufficient.  We can study or learn or listen to talks by
> experts etc any number of times or on any number of texts , Shruti/Smriti
> included. We see for ourselves so many of them. Well none is a Jnani merely
> due to such learning. I quote the well known verse from Vivekachudamani (
> 60 )
>
> << vagvaikhari shabdajhari shastravyakhyanakaushalam I
>
>      vaidushyam vidusham tadvad bhuktaye na tu muktaye >>
>
> translation (Sri Shankaranarayanan )
>
> << Skill in fluent speech , the proficiency in explaining the sastras , the
> scholarship of the learned , all make only for personal enjoyment but not
> for liberation >> .
>
> I hope I have understood your observation correctly and responded
> satisfactorily.
>
> Regards
>
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 4:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Sri Chandramouli
> >
> > >> But according to Advaita , this is not something to be just understood
> > ( the way we study and understand any other subject ), but something to
> > be realized intuitively ( aparoksha ).
> >
> > Just wanted to clarify here - aparoksha gyAna, stated several times by
> > Swami ParamarthAnanda is simply knowledge about the true nature of
> myself.
> > There is no "mystical" element or "intuition".
> >
> > There is a chance that as used in that statement, it could be wrongly
> > interpreted that understanding or knowledge is insufficient, which I
> > understand to eminently not to be.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2015 at 1:24 PM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Sri Santosh Rao,
> >>
> >>
> >>  Reg your first query
> >>
> >>
> >>  << If the world / universe is ultimately unreal, is the proper
> >> understanding as per advaita to infer that samsaara is not really
> >> happening, but only appearing to do so? >> ,
> >>
> >>
> >>  I do not think this is the complete understanding of Advaita. No doubt
> >> this is part of the ultimate conclusion ( Tatparya ) of Advaita
> Sidhanta ,
> >> the other part being the identity of Brahman and Jiva . But according to
> >> Advaita , this is not something to be just understood ( the way we study
> >> and understand any other subject ), but something to be realized
> >> intuitively ( aparoksha ). Advaita prescribes a specific sadhana marga
> to
> >> achieve this. As part of this marga, the sadhaka must first get
> >> eligibility
> >> ( adhikaritva ) to undertake the later part of the sadhana which is
> >> shravana, manana and nididhyasana. During the first part ( gaining
> >> adhikaritva ) , the ulti mate conclusion ( that the samsara is unreal )
> >> could no doubt to be kept in the background , but all actions have to be
> >> undertaken as per the rules laid down in the scriptures which implies
> that
> >> the sadhaka should assume the creation to be real at least temporarily.
> He
> >> should thus become a sadhanachatushtaya sampanna which gives him the
> >> eligibility to undertake the later portion of the sadhana. During this
> >> period the sadhaka considers the creation to be real ( which comes
> >> naturally to him ) . Thus the second part of your first query
> >>
> >>
> >>  << If this is correct, how exactly is this apparently "real" order of
> >> karma,
> >> cause, and effect to be understood? How can we logically differentiate
> >> between good and bad actions that will lead to good and bad future
> births
> >> if good and bad don't exist to begin with within a system that doesn't
> >> exist to begin with? >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  is not valid till such eligibility is obtained .
> >>
> >>
> >>  Regards.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Santosh Rao via Advaita-l <
> >> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Pranams, 2 questions...
> >> >
> >> > 1) If the world / universe is ultimately unreal, is the proper
> >> > understanding as per advaita to infer that samsaara is not really
> >> > happening, but only appearing to do so?
> >> >
> >> > If this is correct, how exactly is this apparently "real" order of
> >> karma,
> >> > cause, and effect to be understood? How can we logically differentiate
> >> > between good and bad actions that will lead to good and bad future
> >> births
> >> > if good and bad don't exist to begin with within a system that doesn't
> >> > exist to begin with?
> >> >
> >> > 2) Is Maya eternal like Brahman? What is it's exact nature? A link to
> a
> >> > previous discussion regarding this topic would be appreciated, I don't
> >> see
> >> > a way to search the archives.
> >> >
> >> > Thx,
> >> >
> >> > Santosh
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