[Advaita-l] Please answer to this
Venkatraghavan S
agnimile at gmail.com
Tue Oct 20 11:28:19 CDT 2015
Thanks for the reference, SadAji.
Its quite a coincidence, but I was listening to Swami Paramarthananda's
talk on the bhAshya of BrahmArpaNam sloka only last week.
Regards,
Venkatraghavan
On 20 Oct 2015 15:24, "kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Chandramouliji - PraNAms
>
> Just found the reference to the 16 samaanadhikaranams. I am quoting part
> of Ken Knight article and the referenced book which is available in the
> archives of advaitin list for those who want to have the reference.
> --------------------
> This work is from a monograph entitled Mahavakyas byDr. T.N Ganapathy
> He was at the Department of Philosophy, Ramakrishna
> Mission, Vivekananda College in Madras and the work
> was printed in 1982.
>
> In this book 16 samanaadhikaranas are dicussed.
>
> ...................
> Although I had got the monograph because of interest
> in the Mahavakyas I have found it very useful for some
> insights into grammar.
> Happy reading
>
> ken Knight
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>
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> On Tue, 10/20/15, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please answer to this
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>, "H S Chandramouli" <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 9:58 AM
>
>
> Chandramouliji - Yes. Swami Paramarthanandaji did indicated
> that there are apparently 16 samaanadhikaranas. The four
> that were mentioned here are apparently discussed by
> Shankara in his Brahma sutra bhashya - not remember where
> exactly. I think the sixteen samaanaadhikaranas were
> discussed in the other list by Kennith or so, and it may be
> available in the archives. If I find it I will post it here.
>
>
> The lakshnaas - jahat, ajahat and jahat ajahat lakshanas
> were discussed by Sadananda yogindra in his Vedanta saara.
>
> About Ghataaksaasha - currently we just finished
> discussing the Avachcheda vaada and Abhaasa vaada - in
> relation to Jiiva in the Vichaarasaagara class. I am
> planning to write on it sometime soon. That may also be
> pertinent in terms of bhaamati vs vivarana schools, since
> avachchedavaada is attributed to Mandana Misra and
> Abhaasavaada to Sureswara, vidyaranya, etc. although
> Shankara does not endorse either one, but uses both
> arguments.
>
> As Subbuji pointed that the fundamentals - 1. Brahma satyam
> 2. Jagan mithyaa 3. JivaH brahma eva na aparaH - forms the
> basic tenets of Advaita Vedanta that all aacharyas
> subscribe. The rest are only considered as prakriyas that
> help to understand the mahaavaakyas. Shaastras do not
> discuss these - only acharyas discuss these to extract
> tatparya as Subbuji indicated.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sadananda
>
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> On Tue, 10/20/15, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please answer to this
> To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>,
> "A discussion group for Advaita Vedanta" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> Date: Tuesday, October 20, 2015, 9:19 AM
>
> Sri
> Sadananda Ji,
> Sri
> Bhagavatpada also uses Mukhya Samaanaadhikaranam apart
> from
> Badha Samaanaadhikaranam to explain tat
> tvam asi by way of the classic illustration of Ghatakasha
> and Mahakasha. Just a passing
> observation.
> I have heard Sri Paramarthananda
> Swamiji discuss Samaanaadhikaranam in some other context ,
> not the
> one you have mentioned. I think he covered both the above
> in that context under the fourth category by calling it
> Lakshya Lakshana Samaanaadhikaranam. I am recalling
> from memory and could be wrong. But an interesting point
> he
> made was that one scholar has listed as many as sixteen
> types of Samaanaadhikaranams and that he (
> Sri SP ) was only covering four of them in the talk. Just
> as
> supplementary info.
> Regards and
> Pranams
> .
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at
> 9:06 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> wrote:
> Shree
> Venkataraghavan- PraNAms
>
>
>
> Shruti itself has both bheda vaakyaas and abheda vaakyaas.
> Shankara takes abheda vaakyaas as primary and bheda
> vaakyaas
> as secondary. While Ramanuja takes the other way around.
> Both accept that Brahman is both material and intelligent
> cause. Only Dwaita does not accept that.
>
>
>
> Both Ramanuja and Shankara use samaanaadhikara to account
> tat tvam asi statements. Ramanujauses visheshana
> visheshyaabhyam samaanaadhikaranam while Shankara uses
> bhaadaayam samaanaadhikaranam.
>
>
>
> Madhva uses some sources which are not really accessible
> to
> any body to justify his stand.
>
>
>
> Just a note
>
>
>
> Hari Om!
>
> Sadananda
>
>
>
>
>
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>
> On Mon, 10/19/15, Venkatraghavan
> S via Advaita-l <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Please answer to this
>
> To: "A discussion group for Advaita
> Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>,
> "Harsha Bhat" <harsha9519 at gmail.com>
>
> Date: Monday, October 19, 2015, 1:36 PM
>
>
>
> Sri Harsha,
>
> What difference does it possibly make? Whether
>
> someone wins a debate or
>
> not, how is that
>
> going to help?
>
>
>
> I for one am
>
> not a historian, so I cannot say who won, or even if a
>
> debate
>
> took place, but frankly I don't
>
> care.
>
>
>
> However one thing is
>
> for sure - it is absolutely evident that advaita
>
> siddhAnta stems directly from shruti.
>
> Therefore, even if some clever person
>
> wins a
>
> debate today, someone cleverer can come tomorrow to
> disprove
>
> him,
>
> but as long as his siddhAnta is at odds
>
> with vedA it cannot be right.
>
>
>
> However, a shruti based siddhAnta can never be
>
> disproved, because of the
>
> very fact that it
>
> comes from the VedA.
>
>
>
> Therefore I'm not so interested to know the
>
> history of the debate, what I'm
>
> concerned with is to understand the shruti
>
> established advaita siddhAnta
>
> correctly.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On 15 Oct 2015
>
> 17:14, "Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l" <
>
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > And one more
>
> point I forgot to mention,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> That madhva pandith also said that
>
> even
>
> > shankaracharya lost in debate with
>
> vedavyasa,he also adds that ,
>
> > even in
>
> some shankara vijaya says that adi shankara lost in
> debate
>
> with
>
> > vedavyasa.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > So,please tell me
>
> whether in any shankara vijaya there is a topic of
>
> > shankaracharya losing debate with
>
> vedavyasa?
>
> >
>
> > Or it
>
> is also one among maadhva's crooked up stories?
>
> >
>
> > Any knowledgeable
>
> person,please answer....
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > regards,
>
> > Harsha Bhat
>
> >
>
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 8:37 PM, Srirudra
>
> <srirudra at gmail.com>
>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> Dear
>
> > > Whether should replace
>
> weather.This type of mistaken spellings are
>
> > > provided by the iPad .So one should
>
> be careful while forwarding the
>
> > >
>
> mail.R.Krishnamoorthy.
>
> > >
>
> > > Sent from my iPad
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> > >
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> > > > On
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> 15-Oct-2015, at 7:46 PM, Harsha Bhat via Advaita-l <
>
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>
> wrote:
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > Namaskara,
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> 1) Madhvas are very famous for loose talk and
> they
>
> always down
>
> > grade
>
> >
>
> > > other philosophy and its acharyas.
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > > When talking about this
>
> with a famous madhva pandith,he said not only
>
> > we
>
> > > > madhvas
>
> ,advaithis also down grade madhvas.
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > > He said vidhyaranya
>
> called madhvachrya as madhu named devil. Which
>
> > comes
>
> > > in
>
> > > > soura purana.
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> Weather it is true?
>
> > > >
>
> > > > Weather vidhyaranya called
>
> madhva as madhu named devil?
>
> > > >
>
> If so,where ? in which book?
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > >
>
> >
>
> > > Please reply ,so that I can answer him...
>
> > > >
>
> > >
>
> > 2) And also,he said vidhyaranya got
>
> defeated by akshobhya theertha in
>
> > >
>
> > vakhyartha of "tat tvam asi"...
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> In respect of that, vidhyaranya installed a vijaya
> sthamba
>
> in
>
> > mulibagilu
>
> > >
>
> > for respecting akshobhya theertha...
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> Weather it is true that vidhyaranaya got defeated by
>
> akshobhya
>
> > theertha
>
> >
>
> > > for vakhyartha of tat tvam asi?
>
> > > >
>
> > > >
>
> Or it is just dvaithi's crooked up story for down
>
> grading other
>
> > > philosophy
>
> > > > acharyas?
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> > > >
>
> > > > regards,
>
> >
>
> > > Harsha Bhat
>
> > > >
>
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