[Advaita-l] mithyA and abhAva chatuShTaya - Vaadiraaja's Nyayaratnavali Slokas 43-46
Durga Janaswamy
janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com
Fri Sep 11 19:17:49 CDT 2015
Hari Om,
Pranams.
Is there any shruti pramana for this type of catagorization?
thanks and regards
-- durga prasad
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> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 20:58:30 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] mithyA and abhAva chatuShTaya - Vaadiraaja's
> Nyayaratnavali Slokas 43-46
> From: agnimile at gmail.com
> To: advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org; janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com
>
>
> Yes, the question doesn't arise for us, because we say the snake
> doesn't exist.
>
> But when asked, we have to explain its appearance - and the answer we
> give depends on the qualifications of the questioner.
>
> If the questioner is a madhyama adhikAri, we say yes it appears, but
> the existence that you see is not the snake, but Brahman. The snake
> does not really exist.
>
> To an uttama adhikAri, we simply say it doesn't exist.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On 8 Sep 2015 20:40, "Durga Janaswamy via Advaita-l"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>
> wrote:
> Hari Om,
> Pranams
>
> When the snake itself does not exist, where is the question of dependency?
>
> thanks and regards
> -- durga prasad
>
> ________________________________
> > Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2015 09:14:55 +0100
> > Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] mithyA and abhAva chatuShTaya - Vaadiraaja's
> > Nyayaratnavali Slokas 43-46
> > From: agnimile at gmail.com<mailto:agnimile at gmail.com>
> > To:
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>;
> janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com<mailto:janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com>
> > CC: v.subrahmanian at gmail.com<mailto:v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> > Namaste Sri Durga Prasad.
> >
> > Dvaitins hold Veda to be apaurusheya too.
> > For advaitins, Veda are nishvAsitam, the breath of Ishvara (see
> > BrihadAraNyaka reference below). They are apaurusheya and anAdi for us
> > too.
> >
> > "Asya mahato bhUtasya nishvAsitam etad yad rigvedo yajurvedah samavedo
> > atharvAngirasah", Br. Up. 2.4.10
> >
> > However, from a paramArtha drishti, no vastu, not even any of the anAdi
> > vastu's, has any differientated existence from Brahman. The vedAs, like
> > jIva, jagat and Ishvara, are non different from Brahman, and have no
> > independent existence outside Brahman.
> >
> > Regards
> > Venkatraghavan
> >
> > On 8 Sep 2015 01:30, "Durga Janaswamy via Advaita-l"
> >
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org><mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>>
> > wrote:
> > Hari Om,
> > Pranams.
> >
> > Few doubts:
> > 1. For an advaitin, Veda is apauruSeya (अपौरुषेय).
> > Is Veda apauruSeya or the pauruSeya for Dwaitins and Visistadvaitins?
> > If Veda is pauruSeya, then they have problems of
> > a. mutual dependency and
> > b. aswatantra pramana of vedas.
> > How are these answered?
> >
> > 2. Does Veda has a 'dependent and borrowed existence' for an advaitin?
> > Or is Veda anAdi for an advaitin?
> >
> > thanks and regards
> > -- durga prasad
> >
> > ________________________________
> >> Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2015 10:42:09 +0530
> >> Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] mithyA and abhAva chatuShTaya - Vaadiraaja's
> >> Nyayaratnavali Slokas 43-46
> >> From:
> v.subrahmanian at gmail.com<mailto:v.subrahmanian at gmail.com><mailto:v.subrahmanian at gmail.com<mailto:v.subrahmanian at gmail.com>>
> >> To:
> janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com<mailto:janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com><mailto:janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com<mailto:janaswamy2001 at hotmail.com>>;
> >
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org><mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>
> >>
> >> Dear Sri Durgaprasad ji,
> >>
> >> The point being made in these posts is: Dvaita admits ONLY Viṣṇu
> >> (Brahman) to have Swatantra Sattā/satya. Everything else derive their
> >> reality/existence from Brahman and therefore are categorized as
> >> 'paratantra sattā/satya.' Naturally, they do not admit the Veda to
> >> have Swatantra sattā nor can they say that the Veda enjoys the same
> >> level of sattā as Brahman in which case there will be two entities
> >> having Swatantra satya: Brahman and Veda which position is not correct
> >> even according to them. Thus, in conclusion, for them too, like
> >> advaitins, the Veda has only a second level, a dependent, borrowed
> >> existence and not the first class existence.
> >>
> >> Advaitins openly hold that the Veda belongs to the Vyāvahārika satya.
> >>
> >> regards
> >> vs
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:24 AM, Durga Janaswamy via Advaita-l
> >>
> >
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org><mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>><mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org><mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org<mailto:advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>>>>
> >> wrote:
> >> Hari Om,
> >>
> >> Pranams.
> >>
> >> For the last few days, I am not getting emails from Advaita-l
> mailing list.
> >>
> >> In the archives, I saw the following in one of the emails on the subject:
> >>
> >> "Good point, but here the question is not whether VedAs are svatantram
> >> or paratantram, but whether they have svatantra sattA or paratantra
> >> sattA?
> >> If something depends on something else for its existence, it has no
> >> independent existence of its own. This is the advaita position: that
> >> VedAs themselves have no svatantra sattA- they ultimately have to
> >> depend on Brahman for their existence."
> >>
> >> Vedas being apauruSeya (अपौरुषेय), the relation between Brahman and
> >> Vedas need to be understood carefully. It is discussed in Brahma
> >> Sutra: 1.1.3 shAstrayonitvAt (शास्त्रयोनित्वात्) under two heads:
> >>
> >> 1. (Brahman is omniscient) because of (Its) being the source of the
> >> scriptures.
> >>
> >> 2. (Brahman is not known from any other source), since the scriptures
> >> are the valid means of Its knowledge.
> >>
> >> "The Vedas are given out by the Supreme Being at the beginning of each
> >> cycle of creation without effort as in breathing out. But even He does
> >> not have liberty in creating the Vedas. He creates them exactly in the
> >> same way as they were in the previous kalpa. That in turn is in the
> >> same form as in the kalpa previous to it. Thus the same Vedas are given
> >> out again and again in each kalpa. Creation is beginningless and so
> >> there is no such thing as the first creation of the Vedas. Though the
> >> Supreme Being gives out the Vedas in every kalpa, he has no liberty in
> >> creating them. It is because of this lack of absolute freedom in
> >> creating that the Vedas are called ‘apaurusheya’."
> >>
> >>
> >> Please see the following link (Brahmasutra 1.1.3 -- शास्त्रयोनित्वात्
> >> Translation of the lectures of Dr. Mani Dravid Sastri)
> >>
> >> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bw-rceu2TxMUakQ3Q09jeU5ORjg
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> thank you and regards
> >> -- durga prasad
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