[Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

[Bhaskar YR]

Correct way to say is Jiva/BMSC is mithya while only chid part of former Jiva/BMSC is Brahman.

praNAms Sri Srinath Vedagarbha prabhuji
Hare Krishna

I am with you with your above assessment though you may be saying this with some dvaita perspective /  objections in mind :-)  The chid part is same in both charAchara (sthAvara and jangama), the chid is sakala charAchara jagat pratishTa.  So, if one considers BMI of jeeva is too part of the jagat (jada) and it is mithyA and chid part of the jeeva (devoid of BMI) is satya then jeeva is no more jeeva without this jada hence it is brahman only.  Likewise the 'socalled' external world, which is again jada (like jiva's BMI) but it has the chid part in it too but projection of it is 'dull'  when compared to jada-jeeva.  (itareya brAhmaNa says this exactly) nevertheless, since this jada jagat too has the chit part in it, like jeeva without its vikAra (nAma rUpa) brahman only nothing else.  So, the famous three statements : brahma satya jagan mithyA jeevO brahmaiva na aparaH should have been something like : brahmaiva satyam (chid part), jeeva jagat ubhayaM mithyameva since both jeeva and jagat has this jada as their upAdhi, and when we consider this upAdhi-s as anAtma OR brahma satya, jeeva jagat cha satyameva na anrutaM,  it is because for this jeeva's  jadOpAdhi and jagat as the kArya both have the brahman as their upAdAna kAraNa.  Under no circumstances, we can categorically say jeeva is brahman and jagat is mithya, treat both as satyameva in their causal form and treat both of them as mithyA only as an independent existence (svatantrAstitvatvaM).

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar    

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From: Advaita-l [mailto:advaita-l-bounces at lists.advaita-vedanta.org] On Behalf Of Srinath Vedagarbha via Advaita-l
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To: Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] Why only jagat is mithya and jeeva is brahman !!??

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Praveen R. Bhat <bhatpraveen at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Namaste Srinath ji,
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Srinath Vedagarbha via Advaita-l < 
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> In the spirit of jumping from one reference to the other, I agree 
>> with you in calling adhyaasa "jagat" as mithya. In the same we should 
>> also call "Jiva" as mithya as the notion of jIvahood is equally 
>> adhyAsa over the same adhishTAnaM. Then statement would be -- brahma 
>> satya jagan mithyA jeeva mithyA ubhyOr brahmaiva na aparaH.
>>
>> Why not the same treatment to jIva is given?
>>
>
> We're back to square one! In the spirit of jumping, we have somehow 
> jumped back to the beginning of the first thread in about 250 odd 
> mails here!! :)
>

> The jIva misunderstands himself as the superimposed part of jagat, 
> that makes up the body mind sense complex (BMSC), while he is really brahman.
>

Jiva does not misunderstands that way, but rather Jiva is the result of misunderstanding. Essentially this take us back to the original question (Sri.Ramanuja questions in His srIbhAshya) -- who is having avidya? jIva is having avidya? or jIva itself is the result of avidya?





> Somehow the crucial point is amiss that BMSC *is* jagat. The jIvatva 
> is really the erroneous notion of individuality. While the individual 
> considers the part of jagat, that is BMSC, which he associates with as 
> himself, he doesn't have the same problem with the rest of the jagat. 
> Thats why jagat appears to be as separate from one's own BMSC. 
> However, BMSC is as much jagat as the outside jagat is and therefore as mithyA as jagat.
> Therefore, brahma satya jaganmithyA is saying that jIva's association 
> with mithyA jagat is an error, jIva is brahman.
>
>
When jIvatva is BMSC and BMSC is mithya, then what else is left in BMSC for you to say jIva is brahman?

Correct way to say is Jiva/BMSC is mithya while only chid part of former Jiva/BMSC is Brahman. This is the essence of bhAgatyAga nyAya as applied to tattvam asi.

/sv
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