[Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Iśwara is Māyāvin'

[H S Chandramouli]

Sri Sadananda Ji,



Pranams.



I just referred to Panchadasi Chapter 8 verses 60 to 68 which deal with the
subject we are concerned with at present. My understanding of these  verses
in respect of Iswara and Maayaa is as follows.



 The issue is Kutastha as the SOLE Reality. Not even Iswara. Considering
 Iswara as Real is a deception created by Maayaa. I do not think the verses
should be understood as presenting  Iswara as a product of Maayaa.
Presenting Iswara as real is the creation of  Maayaa. Only Kutastha is the
SOLE Reality.



As you are undoubdtedly aware there are any number of Shruti Vakyas which
in the context of Creation present Iswara as the Creator wielding the power
of Maayaa मायिनन्तु महेश्वरः. Understood in the abovementioned  manner
there is consistency between these verses of Panchadasi and well known
Shruti vakyas.



Regards

On Thu, Feb 11, 2016 at 3:38 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda <
kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Chandramouliji - PraNAms
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> I have referenced Panchadashi 8th Chapter -sloka 60 - where Vidyaranya
> states his statement is based on shruti -from the notes I have he refers to
> NRisimha Uttara Tapaneeya Upanishad - sloka 9. I have not seen the
> Upanishad.
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> To answer your question - yes maaya is inert - the topic of the chapter is
> Kuutastha chaitanyam of Saakshi chaitanyam and how to differentiate it from
> chidaabaasa. He also providing arguments supporting the superiority for
> abhaasa vaada against avachcheda vaada in this chapter. Yes in the presence
> of KuuTasta chaitanya by reflection the vyaShTi buddhi becomes conscious
> entity forming jeeva and samashTi becomes Iswara again by reflection. The
> formation of reflection is figuratively called pravasham and also creation
> of Jiiva-hood and Iswara-hood. In the samaShTi, all the rajo and samo gunas
> fall out leaving pure satva guna of maaya for reflection - Since satva guna
> stands for knowledge - Iswara becomes sarvajnaH. These aspects were also
> discussed in the 7th chapter - tRipti deepa prakaraNa - where Vidhyaranaya
> provides close to 300 verses commenting on Bri. Up 4-4-12 mantra - that
> says one has to inquire into the aatma or the self - aatmaichet vihaneeyaat
> aham asmeeti puurushaH....;etc.
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> I was just posing the question since maaya and creation are beginning less
> cycle, the anyonya aashraya is accounted by anirvacaneeya khyaati.
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> Hope this helps.
>
> Hari Om!
> Sada
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> On Thu, 2/11/16, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com> wrote:
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>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] [advaitin] 'Iśwara is Māyāvin'
>  To: "kuntimaddi sadananda" <kuntimaddisada at yahoo.com>, "A discussion
> group for Advaita Vedanta" <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  Date: Thursday, February 11, 2016, 4:28 AM
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>  Sri Sadananda Ji,
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>
>  Pranams.
>
>
>
>  Reg  << Based on
>  the
>  authority of Shruti it is clearly established that both
>  jeeva and Iswara are
>  products of maayaa
>  >>,
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>
>
>  माया  is  जडम् (inert). It cannot produce anything by itself.
>  So who is the Producer of Iswara??  Can
>  you please cite some of the Shruti Vakyams on which your
>  conclusion is based.
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>  As per my understanding,
>  with the manifestation of  माया Chaitanyam
>  itself with माया as its उपाधि is considered as Iswara . There is no
>  “product” of माया called
>  Iswara.
>
>
>  Regards
>  On Wed, Feb 10, 2016 at
>  3:58 PM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  wrote:
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>  Subbuji – PraNAms
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>
>  In the 8th Chapter of Panchadashi – kuuTastha deepa
>  prakaraNa – that we just completed for Advaita Academy
>  (yu-tube talks will soon become available) Shree Vidyaranya
>  says – sloka 60 – that Iswara like jiiva is maayikou
>  (are products of maaya). Maayaavin and maayikou leads to
>  anyonya aashraya dosha- error of  interdependence.
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>  maayaabhaasena jeeveshou karoteeti shrutatvataH|
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>  maayikaaveva jeeveshou svachchou tou kaarakumbhavat||
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>  Based on the authority of Shruti it is clearly established
>  that both jeeva and Iswara are products of maayaa – one is
>  reflection in impure maayaa and the other the reflection on
>  pure satva guna pradhaana maayaa.
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>
>  Hari Om!
>
>  Sada
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