[Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni

[Aurobind Padiyath]

Dear Venkatraghavanji,
Not only He is ever Brahman but Everything. "Brahmaidam sarvam". Kena kam
paschyet? All words fail in describing That which everything is in this
very moment. Sarvabhutatma, ytra na anya paschyati. ...

As far as fear is best explained as "Abhaye bhaya darshinah". Experiencing
sense of fear in what one becomes fearless.
Regards,
Aurobind Padiyath

On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:43 Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Sri Rajesh ji,
>
> Namaste.  Re your qn:
> "You are right but that is the question if jnAni is totally free from
> avidhyA while body is still alive and he is braham in absolute sense OR
> there are some........"
>
> He is ever Brahman in the absolute sense. Jeevanmukti, videhamukti,
> prArabdha karma, the body etc are real constructs only for the ajnAni. None
> of these are true for the jnAni.
>
> Re "fear of
> avidhyA which, I think avaraNa remain active even after jnAnam"
>
> There is no need to fear avidya because Brahman is his true svarUpam, there
> is nothing that can change that. The important thing to realise is that it
> is not the jnAni that has brahma jnAnam, but it is the mind/intellect that
> the external world considers as "his". Even if the jnAni gets a brain
> injury, it is not the jnAni that gets the injury, it is the brain.
>
> The jnAni himself (and for the matter, the ajnAni too) is only Brahman.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
> On 15 Jan 2016 07:53, "Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l" <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> > Namaste,
> >
> > To *Praveenji,*
> >
> > My emphasis on forgetting his true nature again is because of fear of
> > avidhyA which, I think avaraNa remain active even after jnAnam, is there
> in
> > some manner. As Durga Prasad Janaswamyji also replied that "To account
> for
> > prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in case of a
> jnAni."
> > So I asked about the possibility.
> >
> > If avidhyA is not there at all then adhyAropa also should not be there at
> > all. But I think is not true, may be I am wrong. Like when we know the
> > rajju, snake disappear.
> > In case of mrigmarichika we keep seeing water even after knowing that is
> > not water but in that case the AvarnNa and vikshepa both keep working.
> >
> >
> > To *Venkatraghavan Sji,*
> >
> > You are right but that is the question if jnAni is totally free from
> > avidhyA while body is still alive and he is braham in absolute sense OR
> > there are some ..................
> >
> >
> > To Aurobind Padiyathji,
> >
> > I kept in mind your point also that He sleeps but with state of
> awakening.
> > There, there is no Avarana which makes him forget his nature. "Yad gatva
> na
> > nivarthante"
> >
> >
> >
> > To ​
> >
> >
> > *kuntimaddi sadananda​ji​*
> >
> > Thanks for all the inputs.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hari Om,
> > > Namaste.
> > >
> > > माण्डूक्योपनिषद्भाष्यम् Karika 1.2
> > >
> > > निर्बीजतयैव चेत्, सति प्रलीनानां सम्पन्नानां सुषुप्तिप्रलययोः
> > > पुनरुत्थानानुपपत्तिः स्यात् ; मुक्तानां च पुनरुत्पत्तिप्रसङ्गः,
> > > बीजाभावाविशेषात्,
> > >
> > > "If Brahman in Its seedless (non-causal) state be meant there, then the
> > > individuals that merge in It in deep sleep and dissolution cannot
> > > reasonably re-emerge. If anybody can re-emerge from sleep or
> dissolution,
> > > conceived of as nothing but identity with the pure Brahman, then there
> > will
> > > be the possibility of the freed souls returning to take birth again,
> for
> > in
> > > either case, the absence of cause is a common factor."
> > >
> > > Commenting on above statement:
> > > One Mahatma said that " for a j~nAni deep sleep is samAdhi."
> > >
> > > Another Mahatma said that "prArabda karma continues even after
> > realization.
> > > To account for prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in
> > > case of a j~nAni.        j~nAni sees duality but he will  not have
> > satyatva
> > > buddi in duality."
> > >
> > > regards
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Namaste,
> > > >
> > > > Is there a difference in sushupati of ajnAni and jnAni?
> > > >
> > > > An ajnAni sushupati anubhava is "I slept well, I do not know
> anything,
> > I
> > > > experienced sukham."
> > > >
> > > > A jnAni statement is also the same or it is different.
> > > >
> > > > If it is same then is it possible that after some brain-injury his
> > wrong
> > > > conclusion, I am body, based on avidhyA could come back.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > *Rajesh Benjwal*
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