[Advaita-l] sushupati anubhava of jnAni and ajnAni

[Aurobind Padiyath]

Dear Rajeshji,
A wave when it merges back to ocean it fears not that it will become a wave
again. Because it has lost the individuality of the wave. But the waves
keep coming and merges back in the same fashion again and again. But those
waves have the firm knowledge that is not a simple wave but the mighty
ocean.
Similarly when That knowledge arises there is no more fear of what is not
real. To such a person there is nothing other than That. For him, the one
who had gained that knowledge, everything is only That where even names and
forms are mere appearances of That, which is nothing but his own nature.
To such a person which is everything and sees only his own nature where can
he look and what can he see other than his own nature.
The only example the Veda uses to explain that state is "like" the deep
sleep, but not the deep sleep which we remember after waking.
Regards,
Aurobind Padiyath

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On 15 Jan 2016 13:54, "Aurobind Padiyath" <aurobind.padiyath at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Dear Venkatraghavanji,
> Not only He is ever Brahman but Everything. "Brahmaidam sarvam". Kena kam
> paschyet? All words fail in describing That which everything is in this
> very moment. Sarvabhutatma, ytra na anya paschyati. ...
>
> As far as fear is best explained as "Abhaye bhaya darshinah". Experiencing
> sense of fear in what one becomes fearless.
> Regards,
> Aurobind Padiyath
>
> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 13:43 Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Sri Rajesh ji,
>>
>> Namaste.  Re your qn:
>> "You are right but that is the question if jnAni is totally free from
>> avidhyA while body is still alive and he is braham in absolute sense OR
>> there are some........"
>>
>> He is ever Brahman in the absolute sense. Jeevanmukti, videhamukti,
>> prArabdha karma, the body etc are real constructs only for the ajnAni.
>> None
>> of these are true for the jnAni.
>>
>> Re "fear of
>> avidhyA which, I think avaraNa remain active even after jnAnam"
>>
>> There is no need to fear avidya because Brahman is his true svarUpam,
>> there
>> is nothing that can change that. The important thing to realise is that it
>> is not the jnAni that has brahma jnAnam, but it is the mind/intellect that
>> the external world considers as "his". Even if the jnAni gets a brain
>> injury, it is not the jnAni that gets the injury, it is the brain.
>>
>> The jnAni himself (and for the matter, the ajnAni too) is only Brahman.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Venkatraghavan
>> On 15 Jan 2016 07:53, "Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l" <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Namaste,
>> >
>> > To *Praveenji,*
>> >
>> > My emphasis on forgetting his true nature again is because of fear of
>> > avidhyA which, I think avaraNa remain active even after jnAnam, is
>> there in
>> > some manner. As Durga Prasad Janaswamyji also replied that "To account
>> for
>> > prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted in case of a
>> jnAni."
>> > So I asked about the possibility.
>> >
>> > If avidhyA is not there at all then adhyAropa also should not be there
>> at
>> > all. But I think is not true, may be I am wrong. Like when we know the
>> > rajju, snake disappear.
>> > In case of mrigmarichika we keep seeing water even after knowing that is
>> > not water but in that case the AvarnNa and vikshepa both keep working.
>> >
>> >
>> > To *Venkatraghavan Sji,*
>> >
>> > You are right but that is the question if jnAni is totally free from
>> > avidhyA while body is still alive and he is braham in absolute sense OR
>> > there are some ..................
>> >
>> >
>> > To Aurobind Padiyathji,
>> >
>> > I kept in mind your point also that He sleeps but with state of
>> awakening.
>> > There, there is no Avarana which makes him forget his nature. "Yad
>> gatva na
>> > nivarthante"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > To ​
>> >
>> >
>> > *kuntimaddi sadananda​ji​*
>> >
>> > Thanks for all the inputs.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Durga Prasad Janaswamy via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hari Om,
>> > > Namaste.
>> > >
>> > > माण्डूक्योपनिषद्भाष्यम् Karika 1.2
>> > >
>> > > निर्बीजतयैव चेत्, सति प्रलीनानां सम्पन्नानां सुषुप्तिप्रलययोः
>> > > पुनरुत्थानानुपपत्तिः स्यात् ; मुक्तानां च पुनरुत्पत्तिप्रसङ्गः,
>> > > बीजाभावाविशेषात्,
>> > >
>> > > "If Brahman in Its seedless (non-causal) state be meant there, then
>> the
>> > > individuals that merge in It in deep sleep and dissolution cannot
>> > > reasonably re-emerge. If anybody can re-emerge from sleep or
>> dissolution,
>> > > conceived of as nothing but identity with the pure Brahman, then there
>> > will
>> > > be the possibility of the freed souls returning to take birth again,
>> for
>> > in
>> > > either case, the absence of cause is a common factor."
>> > >
>> > > Commenting on above statement:
>> > > One Mahatma said that " for a j~nAni deep sleep is samAdhi."
>> > >
>> > > Another Mahatma said that "prArabda karma continues even after
>> > realization.
>> > > To account for prArabda karma lesha mAtra avidya need to be accepted
>> in
>> > > case of a j~nAni.        j~nAni sees duality but he will  not have
>> > satyatva
>> > > buddi in duality."
>> > >
>> > > regards
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 1:27 AM, Rajesh Benjwal via Advaita-l <
>> > > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Namaste,
>> > > >
>> > > > Is there a difference in sushupati of ajnAni and jnAni?
>> > > >
>> > > > An ajnAni sushupati anubhava is "I slept well, I do not know
>> anything,
>> > I
>> > > > experienced sukham."
>> > > >
>> > > > A jnAni statement is also the same or it is different.
>> > > >
>> > > > If it is same then is it possible that after some brain-injury his
>> > wrong
>> > > > conclusion, I am body, based on avidhyA could come back.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > *Rajesh Benjwal*
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