[Advaita-l] Fwd: Dvaita Accepts Body Adhyāsa

Venkatesh Murthy vmurthy36 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 23 03:19:36 CDT 2016


Many Madhvas have moderate nature. They are not fanatics. I know
Madhvas fasting on Sivaratri day also and Sankata Hara Caturthi for
Ganesha. There are also many inter marriages with Smartas and others.

The trouble of fanatics is there only in some Matha मठ people and
people close to those Mathas. They will raise slogans and false
propaganda against Advaita without enough knowledge of Advaita. There
are noises created by some of these people on Internet also.

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Sujal Upadhyay via Advaita-l
<advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> Namaste,
> I once talked to a friend acquainted with Madhva Tradition. He used the
> word delusion and not illusion. He was trying to say that mind wrongly
> perceives. wrong perception is an error on part of individual and this does
> not mean that samsāra is an illusion. for them, jagat is satya, but
> dependent upon parampuruśa Vīṣṇu. Jagat is real but impermanent. Jagat is
> real as real can only create real.
> Śrī Madhva also taught advaita to those who were interested or qualified.
> This teachings is taken as ego or win of dvaita over advaita. however all
> āchārya-s (including Śrī Ādi Śankara Bhagavadpāda) stressed on svānubhava
> (direct experience) rather than mere speculation and remaining satisfied
> with theory. That is why some consider advaita dry philosophy. But the very
> fact that Śrī Madhva taught advaita means he experienced advaita sthiti -
> a point often ignored. Hence some realized āchārya-s of dvaita order could
> mention this world as illusion, but the commentators or others rigidly
> sticking to dvaita-vāda will interpret these words according to what suits
> them.
> I feel that once sampradāya-vāda crosses the limits, it can induce rigidly
> and even fanaticism which follows denigration of other deities. Maybe this
> is the reason why a renewed Śrī Vaiṣṇava sampradāya - Svāmī Nārāyāṇa
> sampradāya teaches equality of Vīṣṇu and Maheśa. They follow Vīṣṇu
> panchāyatna upāsanā vidhi or pancha-deva-pūjā  with Viṣṇu as the main
> deity. Core instructions called as 'Sixāpatrī' 'Śikshāpatrī' teaches many
> things which a Śrī Vaiṣṇava will never agree to.
> This sampradāya is the most liberal amongst Vaiṣṇava sampradāya-s. They
> follow Viśiṣṭādvaita, and revere Śrī Rāmānuja's Śrībhāshya. Bhagavān
> Svāmīnārāyāṇa even incorporated puṣt́i mārga.
> Here is a link to Śikshāpatrī in English
> http://www.swaminarayan.nu/sampraday/shiksha.shtml
> Some verses are -
> 23. When (my followers) on their way, come across temples of Shiv, and
> other deities, they shall bow down to them and have their darshan
> respectfully.
> *46. Brahmin and other followers who are required on the account of their
> family tradition, to put on horizontal mark on their forehead and to wear
> on their neck a necklace prepared from Rudraksha beads shall not give up
> wearing them, even after becoming My followers.*
> *47. All shall realize (know) that Narayan and the Mahesh are one, for as
> Brahman they have been described as one in the Vedas.*
> 59. Shastras proclaim these Bhaktas as Nirguna (i.e. completely free from
> mundane qualities like Satva, Rajas, and Tamas) since Lord Shri Krishna
> (Hari) is Nirguna. Because of their intimate relation with him, all their
> action also become Nirguna.
> *79. All shall observe devoutly and with proper festivities, the Vratas of
> all Ekadashi days of every month as well as the birth day of Shri Krishna
> and Shiv. (Janmastami and Shivaratri)*
> 81. Shri Vitthalnathji, son of Shri Vallabhacharya, a king among the
> Vaishanavas, has given decisions regarding all Vratas and festivals.
> (Shri Vitthalnath ji is said to be disciple of Madhusudan Saraswati)
> 82. All shall observe them accordingly. The mode of worship of Lord Shri
> Krishna as explained by him shall also be followed.
> *84. My followers shall regard the five deities named here with reverence -
> Vishnu, Shiva, Ganpati, Parvati and the Sun.*
> 106. Maya is one which constitutes the three qualities - Satva, Raja and
> Tama, is ignorance incarnate, is power of Lord Shri Krishna and is the
> cause prima for ego and personal attachment for body physic and everything
> else related to it, on the part of Jiva.
> ----
> OM
> Sujal Upadhyay
> "To disconnect from the self and to become Aware of anything else is
> nothing but unhappiness" - Bhagawan Ramana Maharshi
> He who has faith has all
> He who lacks faith, lacks all
> It is the faith int he name of lord that works wonders
> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 12:21 PM, V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 12:06 AM, Srinath Vedagarbha <
>> svedagarbha at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 8:17 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> advaitam chaturtam manyante sa aatmaa -sa vijneyaH.
>> >> Those who are not convinced about the nature of reality - let them be -
>> >> Variety is the part of Vibhuti of the Lord
>> >> In the final analysis - Dattatreya says - Iswaranugrahat eva pumsaam
>> >> advaita vaasanaa
>> >> Should we care if Dwiata accepts deha adhyaasa or not?
>> >>
>> >>
>> > I agree, we should not care whether Dvaitins accepts dehAtma adhyAsa or
>> > not. It seems, the original poster is attempting to reconcile
>> DvaitAdviata
>> >  by forcefully imposing Advaitic idea on Dvaitns illegitimately
>> >
>> There is no force in showing that deha adhyāsa is admitted by the Dvaitin.
>> The Vijayadhwaja commentary to the Bhāgavatam is explicit: jaḍaśarīram
>> klṛptam.
>> http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?beginning=0+&tinput=+klrptam&trans=Translate
>>  Also, the Pejawar Swamiji's statement that it is a bhrama is also
>> explicit.  Bhrama is not an Advaitic idea.
>> vs
>> >
>> > /sv
>> >
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