[Advaita-l] The Tinged Brahman of Deep Sleep, etc.

[Venkatraghavan S]

Thank you to Sri Ravi Kiran and Sri Venkatesh,

Prakriya bheda could be an acceptable reason. However, before we fall back
to the standard explanation for any perceived contradiction, I would like
to see if anyone has explored this previously and has alternative
explanations.

RE Sri Venkatesh's explanation that vikshepa is absent but AvaraNa is
present in deep sleep - to describe the avidyA (whose absence in deep sleep
AchArya talks about), the adjective he uses is
"अन्यत्वप्रत्युपस्थापकहेतोरविद्याया" अभावात् - the absence of that (factor
which is) the cause for the superimposition of other objects.

So here he is not talking about the absence of the projection, but the
absence of the cause (hetu) of the projection, which points to AvaraNa, not
vikshepa in my opinion. The translation by Swami Madhavananda doesn't seem
to include the word "hetu" in the bhAshya.

Regards,
Venkatraghavan
On 30 Jun 2016 5:46 a.m., "Venkatesh Murthy (वेङ्कटेशः सीतारामार्यपुत्रः)" <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste
> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> > Namaste Sri Subbu ji,
> >
> > Thank you for a very informative write up. My understanding is very much
> in
> > line with your article.
> >
> > In a related matter, I had some issues reconciling /interpreting the
> > bhAshya of Br. Up. 4.3.21.
> >
> > The specific vAkya I am having a problem reconciling with is :
> > यत आत्मकामम् — आत्मैव कामाः यस्मिन् रूपे, अन्यत्र प्रविभक्ता इव अन्यत्वेन
> > काम्यमानाः यथा जाग्रत्स्वप्नयोः, तस्य आत्मैव
> > अन्यत्वप्रत्युपस्थापकहेतोरविद्याया अभावात्
> >
> > The translation from Swami Madhavananda: "Because all objects of desire
> are
> > but the self in this form. In states other than that of profound sleep,
> > i.e. in the waking and dreaming states, things are separated as it were,
> > from the self and desired as such. But to one who is fast asleep, they
> > become the self, since there is no ignorance to project the idea of
> > difference."
> >
> > The last bit is particularly problematic, because it seems to say that
> > there is no ignorance in deep sleep state, and prima facie, seems to rule
> > out the presence of  kAraNa sharIra (of the nature of ignorance) in deep
> > sleep.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
>
> The word Project above is important. In Sushupti there is no Vikshepa
> Sakti of Avidya. That Avidya has two Saktis. Avarana and Vikshepa. In
> Jagrat and Svapna Avasthas the two Saktis are present. But in Sushupti
> only Avarana Sakti is there and Vikshepa Sakti projecting objects is
> not there. The Avarana Sakti is hiding the Atman but no Duality is
> felt in Sushupti.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Venkatraghavan
> > On 29 Jun 2016 6:40 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
> >
> >> The Tinged Brahman of Deep Sleep, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> The above article is available here for download:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.mediafire.com/download/6rhrk7h6f7rexxr/The_tinged_Brahman_of_Deepsleep_etc.pdf
> >>
> >> regards
> >> subrahmanian.v
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