[Advaita-l] The Tinged Brahman of Deep Sleep, etc.

[Venkatesh Murthy (वेङ्कटेशः सीतारामार्यपुत्रः)]

Namaste

We cannot take only one word from Sankara Bhashya and worry about it.
Kindly see GK 1 - 13 and Sankara Bhashya below. Here Adi Sankara is
agreeing there is a difference between Prajna and Turya. In Prajna
there is Bija Nidra. That is not there in Turya. Adi Sankara is
clearing doubt if Sushupti and Turya are the same.

द्वैतस्याग्रहणं तुल्यमुभयोः प्राज्ञतुर्ययोः ।
बीजनिद्रायुतः प्राज्ञः सा च तुर्ये न विद्यते ॥ १३ ॥
भाष्यम्
निमित्तान्तरप्राप्ताशङ्कानिवृत्त्यर्थोऽयं श्लोकः — कथं द्वैताग्रहणस्य
तुल्यत्वे कारणबद्धत्वं प्राज्ञस्यैव, न तुरीयस्येति प्राप्ता आशङ्का
निवर्त्यते ; यस्मात् बीजनिद्रायुतः, तत्त्वाप्रतिबोधो निद्रा ; सैव च
विशेषप्रतिबोधप्रसवस्य बीजम् ; सा बीजनिद्रा ; तया युतः प्राज्ञः ।
सदासर्वदृक्स्वभावत्वात्तत्त्वाप्रतिबोधलक्षणा बीजनिद्रा तुर्ये न
विद्यते ; अतो न कारणबन्धस्तस्मिन्नित्यभिप्रायः ॥

On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Venkatraghavan S <agnimile at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you to Sri Ravi Kiran and Sri Venkatesh,
>
> Prakriya bheda could be an acceptable reason. However, before we fall back
> to the standard explanation for any perceived contradiction, I would like to
> see if anyone has explored this previously and has alternative explanations.
>
> RE Sri Venkatesh's explanation that vikshepa is absent but AvaraNa is
> present in deep sleep - to describe the avidyA (whose absence in deep sleep
> AchArya talks about), the adjective he uses is
> "अन्यत्वप्रत्युपस्थापकहेतोरविद्याया" अभावात् - the absence of that (factor
> which is) the cause for the superimposition of other objects.
>
> So here he is not talking about the absence of the projection, but the
> absence of the cause (hetu) of the projection, which points to AvaraNa, not
> vikshepa in my opinion. The translation by Swami Madhavananda doesn't seem
> to include the word "hetu" in the bhAshya.
>
> Regards,
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On 30 Jun 2016 5:46 a.m., "Venkatesh Murthy (वेङ्कटेशः सीतारामार्यपुत्रः)"
> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> Namaste
>> On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l
>> <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> > Namaste Sri Subbu ji,
>> >
>> > Thank you for a very informative write up. My understanding is very much
>> > in
>> > line with your article.
>> >
>> > In a related matter, I had some issues reconciling /interpreting the
>> > bhAshya of Br. Up. 4.3.21.
>> >
>> > The specific vAkya I am having a problem reconciling with is :
>> > यत आत्मकामम् — आत्मैव कामाः यस्मिन् रूपे, अन्यत्र प्रविभक्ता इव
>> > अन्यत्वेन
>> > काम्यमानाः यथा जाग्रत्स्वप्नयोः, तस्य आत्मैव
>> > अन्यत्वप्रत्युपस्थापकहेतोरविद्याया अभावात्
>> >
>> > The translation from Swami Madhavananda: "Because all objects of desire
>> > are
>> > but the self in this form. In states other than that of profound sleep,
>> > i.e. in the waking and dreaming states, things are separated as it were,
>> > from the self and desired as such. But to one who is fast asleep, they
>> > become the self, since there is no ignorance to project the idea of
>> > difference."
>> >
>> > The last bit is particularly problematic, because it seems to say that
>> > there is no ignorance in deep sleep state, and prima facie, seems to
>> > rule
>> > out the presence of  kAraNa sharIra (of the nature of ignorance) in deep
>> > sleep.
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>>
>> The word Project above is important. In Sushupti there is no Vikshepa
>> Sakti of Avidya. That Avidya has two Saktis. Avarana and Vikshepa. In
>> Jagrat and Svapna Avasthas the two Saktis are present. But in Sushupti
>> only Avarana Sakti is there and Vikshepa Sakti projecting objects is
>> not there. The Avarana Sakti is hiding the Atman but no Duality is
>> felt in Sushupti.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Venkatraghavan
>> > On 29 Jun 2016 6:40 p.m., "V Subrahmanian via Advaita-l" <
>> > advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> The Tinged Brahman of Deep Sleep, etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The above article is available here for download:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.mediafire.com/download/6rhrk7h6f7rexxr/The_tinged_Brahman_of_Deepsleep_etc.pdf
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >> subrahmanian.v
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