[Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva vaada

[Bhaskar YR]

While dreaming, mind creates the whole scene (samsAra), different personalities, different situations, then the drama goes on and when mind is saturated or desires are extinguished, the mental world is pulled back within mind. So there is creation, preservation and destruction. Though there are many characters in dream, all are played by one.
btw, not all dreams are pleasant :) some are scary, so we are not in control of what we create. It all depends upon our dis-satisfied desires.
praNAms
Hare Krishna

Yes, it has been said in kAtaka that svapna kartru is brahman only using the vAsana of jeeva accumulated in waking.  And when it comes to srushti prakriya (not avasthA traya prakriya) there is a difference between svapna srushti and waking world.  In the former there is not even an iota of paramArthika but latter is Ishwara’s pAramArthika srushti.  pAramArthikastu nAyaM sandhyAshrayaH sargO viyadaadi sargavat says shankara in sUtra bhAshya.  So, from the nirvikAra / nirvishesha Atma drushti, the socalled three states are ‘dreams’ only nothing else.  Tasya traya avasathA trayee svapnAH says Itareya.  But when it comes to jAgrat prapancha srushti and srushti svarUpa there is no other reason other than brahman.  Hence we don’t get the pApa puNya (karma phala saNchayanaM) for the actions we do in svapna like in jAgrat prapancha we could see only pApa & puNya phala that we accrued in vAsana form.  Elsewhere shankara says if you see a black man with black teeth in your dream, understand that you are nearing your mruthyu ☺

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!
bhaskar



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Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva vaada

praNAms Bhaskar Prabhu ji,
I understand. I did not went through 200 posts :) Our imagination is based on our past knowledge, likes and dislikes, as I have said, we superimpose 'value' to Gold. So our shrishti is the superimposition on Ishvara's shrishti. But the world we see is 'our world' and not reality. Again, what matters is where our consciousness is. If it is in dream state, then the waking world is non-existent for me. In the same way, in nirvikapl samAdhi, since nothing is perceived (seen, experienced) by mind via sense organs, there is no world, no creation, nothing.
While dreaming, mind creates the whole scene (samsAra), different personalities, different situations, then the drama goes on and when mind is saturated or desires are extinguished, the mental world is pulled back within mind. So there is creation, preservation and destruction. Though there are many characters in dream, all are played by one.
btw, not all dreams are pleasant :) some are scary, so we are not in control of what we create. It all depends upon our dis-satisfied desires.
Hare Krishna



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:40 PM, Bhaskar YR <bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com<mailto:bhaskar.yr at in.abb.com>> wrote:
It seems that the word ‘samsāra’ means ‘jīva-sṛṣṭi’ or ‘mano-sṛṣṭi’, while vishva or jagat means the world created by Īshvara.

praNAms
Hare Krishna

The above is what I tried to convey to this list in the jagan mithyatva discussion.  In short, woman, kids, giri, nadi sakala nAma rUpa in this jagat is Ishwara srushti for which brahman is the both upAdAna and nimitta whereas  my wife, my son, my house, my BMI etc. are jeeva mAnasa parichinna pratyaya which is due to avidyA.  Jeeva cannot create (imagine) the jagat on its own, it is Ishwara (hiraNyagarbha) who creates this jagat for the jeeva for their karma bhOga (shankara explicitly says this in sUtra bhAshya).  If everything is mere imagination of me, the eka jeeva, I would have imagined 'my world' in a better way to make it as a comfortable place to stay longer :-)

Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
bhaskar