[Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva vaada

[V Subrahmanian]

This is what Shankara has to say about the teaching of 'srishti' in the
Upanishads:

BSB 1.4.14:

 न ह्ययं सृष्ट्यादिप्रपञ्चः प्रतिपिपादयिषितः । न हि तत्प्रतिबद्धः
कश्चित्पुरुषार्थो दृश्यते श्रूयते वा । न च कल्पयितुं शक्यते,
उपक्रमोपसंहाराभ्यां तत्र तत्र ब्रह्मविषयैर्वाक्यैः साकमेकवाक्यताया
गम्यमानत्वात् । *दर्शयति च सृष्ट्यादिप्रपञ्चस्य
ब्रह्मप्रतिपत्त्यर्थताम् *— ‘अन्नेन
सोम्य शुङ्गेनापो मूलमन्विच्छाद्भिः सोम्य शुङ्गेन तेजो मूलमन्विच्छ तेजसा
सोम्य शुङ्गेन सन्मूलमन्विच्छ’ (छा. उ. ६-८-४)
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इति
। मृदादिदृष्टान्तैश्च कार्यस्य कारणेनाभेदं वदितुं सृष्ट्यादिप्रपञ्चः
श्राव्यत इति गम्यते । तथा च सम्प्रदायविदो वदन्ति —‘मृल्लोहविस्फुलिङ्गाद्यैः
सृष्टिर्या चोदितान्यथा । उपायः सोऽवताराय नास्ति भेदः कथञ्चन’ (मा. का. ३-१५)
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इति
।

The aim of the Veda is not to establish  creation.  He cites the
sampradayavit Gaudapada: 'Creation taught in the Veda by giving examples of
clay, gold, iron (Chandogya), fire-sparks (Mundaka and Br.up.) are not to
conclude that a creation really took place but only to drive home the Truth
that Brahman alone is the Tattva, to the aspirant.'   Thus, for Shankara
those shrutis that teach 'so kāmayata...' is a-pāramārthika.  It is nowhere
to give the impression to the aspirant 'that Ishvara has created this world
and I live in it.'  That is not what the creation-shrutis aim at.  On the
other hand, Shankara says above that they aim at impressing that the effect
is non-different from the cause.



On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 9:34 PM, sreenivasa murthy via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> From : H.N.Sreenivasa MurthyPranams to all.
>           Is it not a joke and  that so many jivas arguing about
> ekajivavada or nanajivavada?
>               This also  Divine Lila.sarvaM hi nAnAtvam brahmaNi
> kalpitamEva ||                      [Sri Shankara]
>
> With warm and respectful regards,  A Jiva one amongst other Jivas
>
>
>
>       From: Praveen R. Bhat via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  To: Anand Hudli <anandhudli at hotmail.com>; A discussion group for Advaita
> Vedanta <advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org>
>  Sent: Tuesday, 10 May 2016 6:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: [Advaita-l] Shankara and DrishTi-SrishTi vAda - eka jeeva
> vaada
>
> Namaste Anandji,
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:08 PM, Anand Hudli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
> >
> > One more astounding thing about DSV/eka-jIva-vAda, as
> > elucidated brilliantly by PrakAshAnanda, is that he reduced the sattA
> > traividhya of pAramArthika, vyAvahArika, and prAtibhAsika sattA to only
> two
> > pAramArthika and prAtibhAsika!
>
>
> Thanks, this is precisely what I was thinking! Moreover, prAtibhAsika is
> not completely freewill-based as people seem to think. I don't have the
> choice to dream exactly what I want to dream, similar to SDV where Ishvara
> doesn't create the world as per his whims and fancies. So I would think
> that the question as to why I created the world this way is as irrelevant
> in DSV, inasmuch as it is in SDV as to why Ishvara created the world so. It
> just is so and it doesn't affect my mukti.
>
>
> > There is no vyAvahArika sattA at all! Since
> > the objects of the waking state are not any more real  than those of the
> > dream state, why bother to call them vyAvahArika satya? They are
> > prAtibhAsika satya too, not any better than dream objects. More on this
> > later.
> >
>
> Unfortunately we hold on to prakriyAs/vAdas and reject others based on the
> one we understand, as if they are the ultimate truth and lose focus of
> their purpose. Even in SDV, finally we have to say that not only jIva, but
> Ishvara, Shruti, bhashya, all are mithyA. Who imagined is a moot point
> then. I remember what Pujya Swami Dayanandaji says in the context of aikya.
> For some reason, people find it comparatively easy to say "I am brahman",
> because they think that brahman is consciousness, so its not really a big
> deal. However, when it comes to saying "I am Ishvara", people hesitate, are
> even scared! IMHO, this verisame thing is seen while assessing DSV.
>
> BTW, as you said siddhAntapradIpikA doesn't seem to be available, even on
> archive.org.
>
> praNAm,
> --Praveen R. Bhat
> /* Through what should one know That owing to which all this is known!
> [Br.Up. 4.5.15] */
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