[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: The five pUrva pakshis of vaitathya prakaraNa

Venkatraghavan S agnimile at gmail.com
Sun Nov 6 05:56:49 CST 2016

Namaste Sri Chandramouliji,

The reason the presence of turIya is not highlighted in the email is
because that is not the focus of what is being discussed - which is whether
an objective assessment of reality of the world can be made when being a
part of the world. Despite being present, turIya is not part of the world -
mANDUkya says he is prapanchopashamam.

We cannot take either the waker's assessment or the dreamer's assessment
of reality as truth, because each of them associate themselves with the
instruments of experience, which are very much part of the world that they
are assessing.

On the other hand the veda has an extraordinary vision of the world, which
is not vitiated by this particular limitation. Therefore, the veda gives us
an objective presentation of reality from the standpoint of turIya which we
should try to understand.



On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:13 AM, H S Chandramouli <hschandramouli at gmail.com>

> Namste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
>> Reg  << In order to objectively describe something, the one describing
>> that thing
>> has to be outside it. That is why turIya, who is not associated with
>> either
>> the jAgrat, svapna or kAraNa prapanchas and sharIras can objectify them,
>> and because he is able to do so, they are all mithyA. दृश्यत्वात्
>> मिथ्यात्वं. >>,
>> Well not exactly. I think you have not broughtout in your writeup  that
>> Turiya is “ present “  as the unchanging “ observer “ in and through all
>> the three states of waking,dream and deep sleep states.  Infact in this
>> अवस्धात्रयप्रक्रिया (avasdhAtrayaprakriyA) he can be known only through
>> this aspect  एकात्मप्रत्ययसारः (ekAtmapratyayasAraH) of Mandukya.
>> Just thought I would bring it to your notice.
>> Regards

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