[Advaita-l] ***UNCHECKED*** Re: Re: Re: The five pUrva pakshis of vaitathya prakaraNa

[V Subrahmanian]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 5:26 PM, Venkatraghavan S via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> Namaste Sri Chandramouliji,
>
> The reason the presence of turIya is not highlighted in the email is
> because that is not the focus of what is being discussed - which is whether
> an objective assessment of reality of the world can be made when being a
> part of the world. Despite being present, turIya is not part of the world -
> mANDUkya says he is prapanchopashamam.
>
> We cannot take either the waker's assessment or the dreamer's assessment
> of reality as truth, because each of them associate themselves with the
> instruments of experience, which are very much part of the world that they
> are assessing.
>
> On the other hand the veda has an extraordinary vision of the world, which
> is not vitiated by this particular limitation. Therefore, the veda gives us
> an objective presentation of reality from the standpoint of turIya which we
> should try to understand.
>

Very nicely demonstrated in this video talk of Swami Sarvapriyananda at IIT
Kanpur:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGKFTUuJppU

Listen from 36 minutes exactly in this video where Swamiji gives the
example of a station master to demonstrate how someone who is outside the
train alone can make a proper assessment of all the trains that come to and
go out of the station rather than someone seated inside a train.

regards
subbu

>
> Regards,
>
> Venkatraghavan
>
> On Sun, Nov 6, 2016 at 11:13 AM, H S Chandramouli <
> hschandramouli at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Namste Sri Venkatraghavan Ji,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Reg  << In order to objectively describe something, the one describing
> >> that thing
> >> has to be outside it. That is why turIya, who is not associated with
> >> either
> >> the jAgrat, svapna or kAraNa prapanchas and sharIras can objectify them,
> >> and because he is able to do so, they are all mithyA. दृश्यत्वात्
> >> मिथ्यात्वं. >>,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Well not exactly. I think you have not broughtout in your writeup  that
> >> Turiya is “ present “  as the unchanging “ observer “ in and through all
> >> the three states of waking,dream and deep sleep states.  Infact in this
> >> अवस्धात्रयप्रक्रिया (avasdhAtrayaprakriyA) he can be known only through
> >> this aspect  एकात्मप्रत्ययसारः (ekAtmapratyayasAraH) of Mandukya.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Just thought I would bring it to your notice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >
> >
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