[Advaita-l] DSV in Vichara Sagara

[V Subrahmanian]

2017-08-01 10:41 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy via Advaita-l <
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> Namaste
>
> Ajnaata Satta Theory in Vichara Sagara Page 221
>
> अस्मिन् पक्षे पदार्थानामज्ञातसत्ता नास्ति । किन्तु ज्ञातसत्तैवास्ति ।
> अद्वैतवादेऽयमेव सिद्धान्तपक्ष: ।


This is amply demonstrated by Shankara in the Bhāṣya-s.

regards
vs


> अस्मिन् पक्षे सत्ताद्वैविध्यमेव न
> सत्तात्रैविध्यम् । सर्वेषामेव दृश्यानामनात्मपदार्थानां स्वाप्नपदार्थानामिव
> प्रातिभासिकसत्तैव । प्रतिभासकालादन्यकालेऽनात्मपदार्थानां सत्ता नास्ति।
> तस्मान्नास्त्येव तृतीया व्यावहारिकी सत्ता । In this Theory there is no
> Ignorance of Objects but only Knowledge of Objects. In SDV objects are
> existing before they are seen. But in DSV objects are created when they are
> seen like in a dream. Therefore it is not possible for Unknown Objects to
> exist in DSV. The Ajnaata Sattaa is denied here. In Advaita this is the
> Siddhaanta Paksha. There is no Sattaa Traividhya but only Sattaa
> Dvaividhya. This means there are only two Sattaas - Paaramaarthika and
> Praatibhaasika. All objects seen in Waking and Dream are Praatibhaasika
> only. There is no existence for Objects = not Self beyond time of
> appearance. Therefore there is no third Sattaa known as Vyaavahaarika.
>
> Then there can be objection - What about Sankara Bhashya saying Ishwara is
> creator in Vyavahara? But like in Bhamati the Ishwara is creator only by
> Upachaara. It is only formality but not real. There is no creation beyond
> time of appearance. The Drashtaa creates the objects at the time of seeing.
> When he is seeing the object is there.
>
> But there is one more objection in Siddhanta Muktavali - what about wife
> and son living in the house? If Ajnaata Sattaa is correct when we leave
> house and go out wife and son are not seen. This means we should think they
> are no more and they are dead. We must fall to the ground in sorrow. No
> this is not correct. Because Knowledge is not cancelled till another
> cancelling Knowledge comes. When we leave house wife and son are there in
> the Mind. That Knowledge will not get cancelled when we go out. Only if
> there is a cancelling knowledge like somebody says 'Your house is burnt and
> everybody inside died' there will be cancellation of earlier knowledge.
> Same thing happens in dreams also. In a dream you are talking to wife and
> son at home. Then you go out with a friend. In the same dream you will not
> think wife and son died just because you went out and wife and son are not
> seen.
>
> Everything in Waking is like in a dream.
>
>
>
> 2017-07-30 23:10 GMT+05:30 Venkatesh Murthy <vmurthy36 at gmail.com>:
>
> > Namaste
> >
> > This is from pages 220  in the Sanskrit Vichara Sagara.
> >
> > दृष्टिसृष्टिवाद एवाङ्गीकार्यः  We have to accept DSV only.
> >
> > परमार्थतस्तु जागरितपदार्थानामपि कार्यकारणत्वादिकं किञ्चिदपि न संभवति ।
> > सर्वेऽपि पदार्थाः साक्षादविद्याकार्यभूताः शुक्तिरजतादिवत् स्वाप्नवच्च ।
> > साक्षादविद्याकार्यत्वेन प्रातिभासिकत्वादविद्यावृत्त्युपहितसाक्षिणैव
> > सर्वेऽपि पदार्थाः प्रकाश्यन्ते । ’दर्शनं सृष्टिरदर्शनं लयः’ इति न्यायात्
> > यदा पदार्थः प्रतीयते तदैव प्रतीतिविषयः पदार्थो जायते । न तु कालान्तरे
> > पदार्थोत्पत्तिरस्ति । अयमेव दृष्टिसृष्टिवाद इत्युच्यते । There cannot
> > really be Cause and Effect relation between Waking State objects. All
> > Waking State objects are products of Avidyaa like Silver in Shell and
> like
> > dream objects. All Waking State objects are Praatibhaasika because they
> are
> > products of Avidyaa. They are projected by Avidyaa Vrutti of the Sakshi.
> > This means they are not outside but they are internally only in the Mind
> > like dream objects. The Nyaaya used is Seeing is Creation and Not Seeing
> is
> > Destruction of Objects. When you are seeing Objects they are produced at
> > the time of seeing only. They are not there before you see them. This is
> > DSV.
> >
> > The Notes below on same page 220 is saying -
> >
> > दृष्टिः = अविद्यावृत्तिरूपं ज्ञानं तदुत्पत्तिसमये एव सृष्टिः =
> > दृश्यप्रपञ्चोत्पत्तिः । अस्यार्थस्य प्रतिपादनं दृष्टिसृष्टिवाद इति
> अजातवाद
> > इति च कथ्यते । अयं च वादो बृहदारण्यकोपनिषद्भाष्ये, वार्तिके,
> > माण्डूक्योपनिषत्कारिकायां, तद्भाष्ये, तत्रैवानन्दगिरिव्याख्याने,
> वासिष्ठे,
> > सूतसंहितायां, वेदान्तमुक्तावल्यां, आत्मपुराणे, अद्वैतसिद्धौ, अन्येषु च
> > वेदान्तग्रन्थेषु प्रतिपाद्यते अत्यादरेण ।
> >
> > The Creation of the world is when the Avidyaa Vrutti knowledge is created
> > and not before. This explanation is DSV and it is also Ajaatavaada. This
> > Vaada is in Brihadaranyaka Upanishad Bhashya, in Vaartika, in Mandukya
> > Kaarikaa, in Mandukya Bhashya, in Ananda Giri's Vyaakhyaana, in Yoga
> > Vasistha, in Suta Samhita, in Vedanta Muktavali, in Atma Purana, in
> Advaita
> > Siddhi and other Vedanta books. There it is explained with a lot of
> > Respect.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards
> >
> > -Venkatesh
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Regards
>
> -Venkatesh
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