[Advaita-l] is this jagat mithyA ?? Sri SSS

[Venkatesh Murthy]

Namaste

So long as you continue to brush aside Adhikari Bheda there will be all
these useless arguments. In DSV there is no Vyavahara. There is only Suddha
Brahman and there is Praatibhaasika Dream like reality. Therefore if you
say Ishwara Srushti it is Dream Srushti only. Tell me how different it will
be if it is Jeeva Srushti? In your dream if you see mountains and seas will
you say Ishwara made them or will you say it is your imagination? If you
say Ishwara creates your dream objects the Dvaitis will embrace you like a
brother. They like it

On Wed, 9 Aug 2017 at 6:02 PM, Bhaskar YR via Advaita-l <
advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:

> praNAms
> Hare Krishna
>
> And this thread will not be completed if we don’t see the ‘difference’
> between jeeva and Ishwara in srushti kArya / prakriya.  Though jeeva is
> brahmaiva na aparaH and there is only one Chaitanya one may conveniently
> say when we say jeeva srushti it is nothing but brahma srushti only.  If
> that is what their explanation then there is no need to exclude Ishwara and
> include jeeva in srushti prakriya and ask silly questions like : why
> Ishwara does the srushti, what for he does the srushti when he himself is
> aaptakAma, nitya trupta etc. And it has to be noted that though jeeva is
> brahmaiva, in the vyavahAra jagat, jeeva is NOT equal to brahma, he is mere
> ‘shAreeri’ only .  bhAshyakAra in 2nd adhyAya adhikaraNa clearly makes the
> distinction between shAreeri jeeva and parameshwara and clearly says
> shAreeri or saMsAri jeeva is not the creator of jagat.  Because the
> socalled jeeva is katru and bhOktru and he is the sufferer here we cannot
> put-forth the argument like jeeva is nothing but brahman hence jeeva has
> been defined as srushti karta.  NA…that is not the way bhAshyakAra explains
> the srushti prakriya.  In the creation process, bhAshyakAra explicitly
> excludes jeeva attributes the creation to ONLY Ishwara and insists
> attributing the srushti to brahma is VEDANTA MARYAADA.  Just see the
> bhAshyavAkya-s where bhAshyakAra pushing aside the jeeva from this srushti
> kArya.  Na cha giri nadee samudrAdishu nAnAvidheshu nAmarUpeshu
> ‘ANEESHVARASYA JEEVASYA’ vyAkaraNa sAmarthyaM asti.  And see the other
> bhAshya vAkya where bhAshyakAra denies the srushti kriya to even siddha
> purusha-s :  jagat utpaadi vyApAraM varjayitvA anyadaNimAdyAtmakaM
> IshvaryaM muktANAm bhavituM arhati..then who is capable of doing this ??
> bhAshyakAra clarifies :  jagat vyApArastu nitya siddhasyaiveshwarasya…
>
> And again, though jeeva is nothing but brahma brahma is not jeeva…in the
> svarUpa both diamond and char coal one and the same but no one wants to
> wear the char coal ring and use diamond for cooking the rice ☺ In short,
> jeeva is shAreeri  (shareera eva bhavati) whereas Ishwara is
> sarvAntaryaami  and sarvavyApi ( na tu shareere eva bhavati).  And
> elsewhere bhAshyakAra again makes the difference between shAreeri and
> parameshwara to avoid the confusion in jeeveshwara bheda in vyavahAra by
> saying :  visheshO hi bhavati shAreera parameshwarayOH, ekaH (jeeva) kartA,
> bhOktA dharmAdharma sAdhanaH sukhaduHkhAdimAmscha…ekaH tad vipareetaH
> (brahma / parameshwara) who is avidyA vinirmukta, nitya shuddha, Buddha,
> mukta, apahatapApmatvAdiguNaH…etasmAdanayOH visheshAdekasya bhOgaH na
> etarasya…So, twisting the jeeva bhrAnta srushti to jeeva is nothing but
> parameshwara srushti is not bhAshya sammata, shruti sammata not even
> vedAnta maryAda.
>
> Hari Hari Hari Bol!!!
> bhaskar
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Regards

-Venkatesh