[Advaita-l] Dying to live Peacefully-2

[H S Chandramouli]

Namaste Shankar Ji,

I was referring to ChArvAka philosophy. Not Vedanta


Regards

On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 4:26 PM, Belavadi Shankar <
shankarbelavadi5 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Namasthe Chandramouliji,
>
> I agree with everything except the sentence; 'Don't worry about right or
> wrong'.
> Our Vedanta tells us, in essence: Pay attention to your actions. The Law
> of Akarm
> will keep track of all your actions and make judgement about your future,
> especially
> the reincarnation. In this regard action done 'Kaya Vacha Manasa' are all
> included.
>
> Warm Regards
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 11:54 AM, H S Chandramouli via Advaita-l <
> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>
>> Namaste.
>>
>> Reasoning advanced by CharvAkAs is similar. But conclusions entirely
>> different. According to them , death is inevitable. So why worry about it.
>> Enjoy to the brim while alive without a thought about death. Dont worry
>> about right or wrong either. What is enjoyable is what is to be sought.
>>
>> Regards
>>
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>> On Tue, Dec 26, 2017 at 9:50 AM, kuntimaddi sadananda via Advaita-l <
>> advaita-l at lists.advaita-vedanta.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Dying to Live Peacefully -II
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > JK says: Death is going to strip you of everything - your family, your
>> > sons, your character, your ambitions.
>> >
>> > So why not strip yourself of all that now? When you do it, then you will
>> > know what death is”.
>> >
>> > Fundamental question then is how to strip yourself of everything while
>> > living?
>> >
>> > Continuing the discussion:
>> >
>> > --------------------------
>> >
>> > JK, in essence, has a point in terms of how to die every minute - die to
>> > the past. The best exercise as a part of meditation that I suggest,
>> that I
>> > myself do is, to mentally withdraw yourself from the body and feel your
>> own
>> > death and see the consequence of what dying involves. I am not talking
>> > about the physical pains etc. but mental withdrawal to everything that
>> we
>> > think as ours starting our own body as it does not really belong to us,
>> as
>> > we have to leave body right where it is. It is an instrument given to us
>> > for our transactions in this world. After its purpose is over we have to
>> > leave it here and go. JK puts it, strip yourself of everything; name,
>> fame,
>> > all relationships, all wealth, all poverty, all possessions,
>> obligations,
>> > relationships and all transactions. Swami Paramarthanandaji calls it
>> with
>> > acronym, PORT (possessions, obligations, relationships and transactions)
>> > that one has to give up slowly or at least mentally). When we strip
>> > ourselves from all belongings we recognize that nothing really belongs
>> to
>> > us. The ownership that involves ‘this is mine’ or mamakaara is based on
>> > false understanding. Nothing really belongs to us, that includes
>> anything
>> > and everything that can be put under the category of ‘this’, or that
>> can be
>> > objectified.  We came into this world with nothing and we are going to
>> > leave taking nothing with us. Any objectifiable entity that comes under
>> the
>> > category of ‘this’ is not us nor it belongs to us. Vedanta puts simply –
>> > you are not ‘this’ (ahankaara) and any ‘this’ does not belong to you
>> > (mamakaara). You have to leave all that which can be put under the
>> category
>> > of ‘this’, i.e., any objectifiable entity since you are not an object
>> but
>> > the only subject in the universe, as for as you are concerned.  This is
>> > true from everyone’s reference.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Stripping oneself from all these mentally is mental sanyaasa.  One can
>> do
>> > that as mental exercise, and slowly do it even at transactional level to
>> > the degree that the mind can get detached from the PORT. Leaving means
>> > withdrawal of the ownership (which is actually notional) as you can see
>> how
>> > your parents/grandparents/great grandparents left everything including
>> > their own body when they died, without taking anything with them.  They
>> > left it, whether they liked it or not, because whatever they left really
>> > did not belong to them. Similarly nothing in this world belongs to us.
>> > Vedanta says all that you can take with you is your dharma, locked in
>> your
>> > mind as your vaasanaas. If death involves leaving everything, then why
>> not
>> > leave all that ‘now’ voluntarily, and experience the beauty of death.
>> You
>> > will find that the mind becomes fresh and free from the dead past and
>> the
>> > unknown future. This mental exercise itself will help detach oneself
>> from
>> > the final death, since you are dying every day, nay, every second; yet
>> > alive to experience the present, nay your own real presence stripped
>> out of
>> > everything. You can see yourself that you do not die, yet you are only
>> > dying to all that you claimed that it is yours. You are Free; unlike in
>> the
>> > deep-sleep state, you are conscious of yourself free as there is
>> nothing to
>> > bind you. ‘Now’ transcends the time since it is a thin line where the
>> past
>> > meets the future. It can be second, microsecond, peco second …. ; at
>> last
>> > no time left and what is left is only you who is conscious of the
>> > disappearing present.  You alone are real since everything is stripped
>> out.
>> > That is the essence of Vedantic teaching, tat tvam asi, you are that.
>> The
>> > rest are details.
>> >
>> > -------------
>> >
>> > To be continued
>> >
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